7 Litre 400Kw HSV on it's way?

**Charliewool** · 28-03-2007, 07:33 AM

Heard this on 3AW rumour file yesterday. And it's a limited production run for the ROAD (Not like the ill-fated 427ci "track only" Monaro)
John Crennan, who is in China, was last night asked by 3AW to confirm the project.
A firm "No comment" was his response! (sounds like a YES to me?)
If this IS a goer, watch the do-gooders and road safety "experts" come out of the woodwork!... Remember the stink when the F6 was 1st released?

**Polyal** · 28-03-2007, 08:13 AM

Hmm Ill believe it when I see it. Problem is Holden has the balls to go through with most concepts. They wouldn't want to have done all that previous work for nothing.

It will cost a bucket load to, so I am not to sure, must be a keen holden supporter to spend ~$100k on a local car.

Perhaps Crennan just wants a little publicity, been a bit quite lately. Although a lot of BS is on talk back radio.

ten[A]cio[U]s · 28-03-2007, 08:18 AM

If this has been approved, i wonder how it will sell?

Im guessing it would be hell on fuel and insurance would be a nightmare, but still its very impressive never the less.

ClevlndStemer · 28-03-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy-au

If this has been approved, i wonder how it will sell?

Im guessing it would be hell on fuel and insurance would be a nightmare, but still its very impressive never the less.

I imagine it would be very limited in numbers and the people buying it i don't think would care too much about the fuel costs and insurance. If you're going to buy a car like that and complain about fuel/insurance then you obviously can't afford the car.

GXL078 · 28-03-2007, 08:50 AM

Is that the same motor as they had at the motor shows a few years back in a purple ute with the matching ski boat?

**Polyal** · 28-03-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by xcgxl

Is that the same motor as they had at the motor shows a few years back in a purple ute with the matching ski boat?

Nah that was the debut of the LS2 wan't it?

427 was a red jelly bean

GXL078 · 28-03-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Nah that was the debut of the LS2 wan't it?

427 was a red jelly bean

Yeah I remember seeing the 427

Perana · 28-03-2007, 09:01 AM

The purple ute had a 6.2L LS1 IIRC

Steffo · 28-03-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

The purple ute had a 6.2L LS1 IIRC

Purple ute had a 350kW 6.2litre stroked GenIII LS6 from the 2000-2005 Corvette Z06.

To answer the another guy's question, no the 307kW 550Nm HSV's are not faster then the supposedly only-270kW and 550Nm @ 2000-4250rpm F6.

And I don't see why a 400kW 7.0 V8 seems so out-there. It would be the current GenIV LS7. Its not an ultra expensive engine, you can buy a new one yourself for $12,999 US as a crate motor. 7.0litres, 377kW 637Nm. What would be so difficult about taking an already 377kW engine to 400kW? A measly 23kW power-gain on a modern, new, conservatively tuned 7.0litres engine? It would be childsplay for them.

Perana · 28-03-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Purple ute had a 350kW 6.2litre stroked GenIII LS6 from the 2000-2005 Corvette Z06.

Close enough
:evilsasmo

4Vman · 28-03-2007, 09:02 AM

I thought is was about time for the good old annual "400+KW HSV" rumour again! never seems to come through though...
I'll believe it when i see it, if it does i bet its price is well into the 100's though...

Perana · 28-03-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I thought is was about time for the good old annual "400+KW HSV" rumour again! never seems to come through though...
I'll believe it when i see it, if it does i bet its price is well into the 100's though...

Only a few weeks until the usual V10 GT-HO Falcon rumors surface again too

4Vman · 28-03-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

Only a few weeks until the usual V10 GT-HO Falcon rumors surface again too

true!!!

vztrt · 28-03-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I thought is was about time for the good old annual "400+KW HSV" rumour again! never seems to come through though...
I'll believe it when i see it, if it does i bet its price is well into the 100's though...

lol, same thinking here!

flappist · 28-03-2007, 09:04 AM

They have got to do SOMETHING to go quicker than a F6.......

Ridin-High · 28-03-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

They have got to do SOMETHING to go quicker than a F6.......

Isn't the new clubsport quicker then the F6 (stock)?

307kw / 520/30nm?

270kw / 550nm

JAYBA · 28-03-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ridin-High

Isn't the new clubsport quicker then the F6 (stock)?

307kw / 520/30nm?

270kw / 550nm

its all to do with how that torque/power is spread across the rev range
and conservative figures versus not so conservative

4Vman · 28-03-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ridin-High

Isn't the new clubsport quicker then the F6 (stock)?

307kw / 520/30nm?

270kw / 550nm

Based on real world results no, the F6 is quicker.

Claimed or advertised Power figures dont mean a whole lot in this case unless youre "badge" or "magazine" racing....

XR8-260 · 28-03-2007, 12:47 PM

How quick exactly is the F6 in a straight line? Wheels magazine only managed a 14.0 second quarter mile. I've heard that much faster times have been achieved (stock) by private owners.

flappist · 28-03-2007, 02:26 PM

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How quick exactly is the F6 in a straight line? Wheels magazine only managed a 14.0 second quarter mile. I've heard that much faster times have been achieved (stock) by private owners.

That depends on which WHEELS test. Do not compare WHEELS against others as they use different parameters for instance, they do it with two people in the car.

The only head to head tests done are the PCOTY last year in MOTOR. Check those results.

While you are at it check any Holden/HSV result comparing the "evaluation demo" cars against later tests with production cars. The comparisons are quite interesting.

SpoolMan · 28-03-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I thought is was about time for the good old annual "400+KW HSV" rumour again! never seems to come through though...
I'll believe it when i see it, if it does i bet its price is well into the 100's though...

I say your right the publicly machine at Holden is at work, there good at bringing there products to a good level of public discussion.

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Originally Posted by 3

How quick exactly is the F6 in a straight line? Wheels magazine only managed a 14.0 second quarter mile. I've heard that much faster times have been achieved (stock) by private owners.

If i can rip 13.3 stock and being no light weight all I can say those test are dodgy as anything you will read.
AU1XLS never been to a race track until he got an F6, ran a full weighted car, traction control on drove it of the line 13.2.

BadMac · 28-03-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Based on real world results no, the F6 is quicker.

Claimed or advertised Power figures dont mean a whole lot in this case unless youre "badge" or "magazine" racing....

Only 3 months before that BS came back up again.

As far as I know the only real test of both cars, same driver, some track, same conditions was carried out by Motor. The test that all the Fordies on this site claimed showed how much better the F6 was than the lowly GTS. Care to requote the 1/4, 0-100 or lap time again or should we discount that result as another specially preped Holden, or maybe they didn't know how to drive the F6, oh thats right its not about which is quicker, just which got higher in the ranking.

For those who don't know what I am talking about, I mean the PCOTY result, where GTS outperformed the F6, but since its stripe pack wasn't as good as Fords it got 19th.

And just to back it up. I have test driven 3 different F6's, ended up buying an R8. Those who have driven both seriously will understand why. Although I can almost garrentee my next car will be an Orion F6 as long as the exterior is what I expect (Oh the joy of not wearing brand blinkers).

And as for the rumour, I understand dealers have taken desposits for a car. As the stillborn 427 proved, that doesn't mean anything.

freaky · 28-03-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BadMac

For those who don't know what I am talking about, I mean the PCOTY result, where GTS outperformed the F6, but since its stripe pack wasn't as good as Fords it got 19th.

there is more to performance than just straight numbers. If you actually read pcoty they didnt like the handling or the feel of the GTS. Not to mention an overcooked engine after a couple of laps.

yes, it lapped quicker than the F6 around the track. 1/4 mile was same time from memory with the F6 having higher mph, and the F6 was quicker down the 0-1000m.

even an F6 with standard brakes stops quicker than a GTS from 100km -0km. There were afew suprised people on the "other forum" regarding this one.

Oh, and I can't forget the crappier auto compared to the almighty ZF

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Bucket · 28-03-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

They have got to do SOMETHING to go quicker than a F6.......

Typical HSV...put the "modify the 6.0 Mill" in the to hard bin and ship annother engine in from the US

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Brute6 · 28-03-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

Typical HSV...put the "modify the 6.0 Mill" in the to hard bin and ship annother engine in from the US

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Thats the bit that annoys me with Holden/HSV. They don't develop/engineer much themselves, they just slingshot the jobbie in from the US.....

**Polyal** · 28-03-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

Typical HSV...put the "modify the 6.0 Mill" in the to hard bin and ship annother engine in from the US

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Mate Ford Oz would do it in a heart beat if they could, problem is there is nothing worth taking; nothing within a reasonable budget anyway.

Bucket · 28-03-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Mate Ford Oz would do it in a heart beat if they could, problem is there is nothing worth taking; nothing within a reasonable budget anyway.

I know..But they have a 6.0L Job there crying out to be untapped!

ED Classic · 28-03-2007, 11:55 AM

Asked a friend whos quite hi up at Clayton, "There will eventually be a engine based around the Hot Corvettes 373kw in a limited HSV model, give or take a few KW, but there wont be a 400KW engine in any forseeable model".

The Monty · 28-03-2007, 01:03 PM

Dipping into the 12's I belive with only an air fliter change.

XR8-260 · 28-03-2007, 01:12 PM

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Dipping into the 12's I belive with only an air fliter change.

sorry to go off topic, but why is there so much variation with F6 times? Is the f6 difficult to launch consistently or something? Cheers.