Negativity towards the new 380 already.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Did anyone see Tom Phillips on the news tonight, saying that the new 380 may not pull Mitsubishi Australia through.

Seems to me like they may have recieved some negative critism with the new models styling and lack of performance orientation. For a brand new model it doesn't sound very positive when the retiring CEO has his doubts!

I hope it does alright for the sake of the company and its people, we all know what it was like with the AU and the negativity it brought with it. For me personally however I don't particularly like the car, I had high hopes for the new VRX but its pretty doughy considering its only 175 kw as per the standard 380.

Theres obviously a market for the car, but whether Mits can sell its required 30,000 + units a year is another story. :lookedat:

[BA GT-HO]

Well one thing I could not understand after reading the Wheels 20 odd page special on the 380 is why the GT (top of the range 'sporty' model) is SLOWER over the 1/4 mile than the base model 380 by almost 0.5 of a second! :

I don't know about others but when I hear 'GT' I think a sports orientated car that should be quicker than the far cheaper base model 380! Its just ridiculous! They keep shooting themselves in the foot.. Why keep the power the same as the base model car in your flagship model?!

Plus it's front wheel drive, that automatically eliminates it from me even wanting to own one.. When will they learn?

The sad part is I want this car to be a success as I am in the manufacturing industry and know how tight it is right now with China and Asia stepping up to the plate and it would be a shame to lose a lot of jobs here in Adelaide.

[Dave_au]

But then again the NA XR6 has the same power as the XT and the NA XR6 sells quite well - I would have liked to have seen a bit more oomph on the VRX and GT too, but they simply did not have the development dollars there. However, there is a Mivec version of the 3.8 that will probably make an appearance during the next series upgrade - expect at least 190kw, and although Mitsubishi doesn't have the funding to develop an AWD at the moment, the new 380 platform has been designed to easily accept an AWD drivetrain.

On what tom said - I didn't hear what Tom said, hopefully it was taken out of context. Motor gave the car a fairly decent review for what it is (6 cyl family car), and the prices and options that you get with the car are not that bad.

If you look beyond the Holden/Ford/Toyota competition, then you can also see the car possibly taking some sales from the Accord/Accord Euro and even the Liberty.

At least the 380 seems to have people talking. I must also say that the ad campaign on TV right now looks quite good, reminds me slightly of the original ad for the BA.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

But then again the NA XR6 has the same power as the XT and the NA XR6 sells quite well - I would have liked to have seen a bit more oomph on the VRX and GT too, but they simply did not have the development dollars there. However, there is a Mivec version of the 3.8 that will probably make an appearance during the next series upgrade - expect at least 190kw, and although Mitsubishi doesn't have the funding to develop an AWD at the moment, the new 380 platform has been designed to easily accept an AWD drivetrain.

On what tom said - I didn't hear what Tom said, hopefully it was taken out of context. Motor gave the car a fairly decent review for what it is (6 cyl family car), and the prices and options that you get with the car are not that bad.

If you look beyond the Holden/Ford/Toyota competition, then you can also see the car possibly taking some sales from the Accord/Accord Euro and even the Liberty.

At least the 380 seems to have people talking. I must also say that the ad campaign on TV right now looks quite good, reminds me slightly of the original ad for the BA.

Yes, i know the XT and XR6 run the same gear, but the whole line up doesn't.

If Ford had the same motor throughout the entire range, for example with an XT / XR6 / Fairmont / Fairmont Ghia and thats all that was on offer do you really think they would sell more then 30,000 units? Back in the dieing days of the AU ford were lucky to break the 30k barrier.

I just think they should have atleast had 2 varients of the V6, one for the cheapies and one for the VRX and GT, specially considering the NZ one has more KW? why is that?

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

I just think they should have atleast had 2 varients of the V6, one for the cheapies and one for the VRX and GT, specially considering the NZ one has more KW? why is that?

We have the whole euro 3 compliance, they don't.

Motor suggested that the 175kw figure was conservative - it maybe, but I wouldn't see it putting out over 185kw. Anyway, apparently MMAL were getting those 190kw figures but this got reduced due to emission laws and noise.

As for not having two different levels of engines: I've heard reports that MMAL wanted to, however they didn't have the development dollars to support two different engine levels, so they just developed the high output engine and put it across the range.

Your concerns regarding the VRX and GT are quite valid, however if you want to play devil's advocate then you can also say you can get the best performance from the best selling base model. I think there is a market for the VRX and GT though - some people will be enticed by the supposed levels of touring comfort.

If we also look at the TJ to TW models, there was a variance of 7kw and 1NM between the VRX/GTVi and the standard models - the VRX and GTVi basically got their 7kw gain from a high flow exhaust, although they also had the bodykit, 17s etc. In my own opinion, there are quite a lot of VRXs from this series on the road, and I wouldn't entirely say the 7kw gain was to thank, probably more the bodykit and bigger mags, but regardless, I can understand your concerns! It will certainly be very interesting to see.

[blownvn]

Actually the difference in the standard XT and XR6 is much greater now with the 6-speed auto and 6-speed manual both being available in the XR6 now, niether of those boxes are available in the XT.

Just drove the naturally aspirated BF XR6 the other day in both 6-speed manual and 6-speed auto. The 6-speed auto is extremely impressive and the 190kW six is a ripper.

It will be interesting to see how the new 380 will be received by the public but the reaction from the media has been less than favorable.

[aimzes]

it looks great. just a pity its fwd lol.

[QUOTE=ShockWaveXR6na] I just think they should have atleast had 2 varients of the V6, one for the cheapies and one for the VRX and GT, specially considering the NZ one has more KW? QUOTE]
I think everyone is baffled by that one Shockwave . I personally had drawn the assummption(from Motor Mag) that the Perth Based Sprintex was developing a supercharged model in conjuntion with Mitsubishi.bout 220 flywheel KWS.And wheres that AWD. I think they need to develop a comparativly powered car(to rest of aussie car makers) or we may be kissing them goodbye in the near future. Saddens me a little as I have had some brilliant HEMI's over the years/Mitsubishi formerly Chrysler. py:

[Falcon Freak]

[QUOTE=rebelpilot]

Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

I just think they should have atleast had 2 varients of the V6, one for the cheapies and one for the VRX and GT, specially considering the NZ one has more KW? QUOTE]
I think everyone is baffled by that one Shockwave . I personally had drawn the assummption(from Motor Mag) that the Perth Based Sprintex was developing a supercharged model in conjuntion with Mitsubishi.bout 220 flywheel KWS.And wheres that AWD. I think they need to develop a comparativly powered car(to rest of aussie car makers) or we may be kissing them goodbye in the near future. Saddens me a little as I have had some brilliant HEMI's over the years/Mitsubishi formerly Chrysler. py:

When the 380 project started it was planned to have three engines. A base engine, a higher powered variant of the base engine for VR-X and a MIVEC variant for the top of the range and long wheel based model. All of these were cancelled except for the VR-X engine which has been fitted as standard to all 380 models.

FF

[Steffo]

I think the 380 looks great, except for one thing. They managed to design the ugliest steering wheel in the world, and decide to use that. I'd kick my own **** if I was the designer of that steering wheel.

[MethodX]

The bonnet is a tad odd too, looks like an AU 1 Forte bonnet.

[marcosambrose]

I love the styling of the VRX/GT Models, just one thing, how many people here have given the TF-TJ Magnas a real thrashing? although its FWD they are very very quick cars around town, off the line they have great urge, even the base model executives.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by marcosambrose

I love the styling of the VRX/GT Models, just one thing, how many people here have given the TF-TJ Magnas a real thrashing? although its FWD they are very very quick cars around town, off the line they have great urge, even the base model executives.

having worked for mitsubishi i know exactly how quick and good the magnas were but they just werent right for the market. they were very plain and the FWD is useless around corners and in the wet. the new 380 doesnt look to be anything special. its basically the same car with a different body. i think mitsubishi are in trouble.

[jonbays]

Driven plenty of hire car magnas the engines had the goods but fwd just doesnt get it to the ground the awd is too heavy and slows them down and the 380 has been hit with the same ugly stick Subaroo have been using lately.

its dead without a lighter bodied AWD that looks good. quality is great motor is great but car is a dud still.

Get Chyrsler guys from the states involved rebadge it restyle it YESTERDAY.

Its AUI to AUII to me

[marcosambrose]

Originally Posted by KJLynx

having worked for mitsubishi i know exactly how quick and good the magnas were but they just werent right for the market. they were very plain and the FWD is useless around corners and in the wet. the new 380 doesnt look to be anything special. its basically the same car with a different body. i think mitsubishi are in trouble.

Its an all-new car apart from the trip computer so it cant be that bad, am i the only one here that likes the 380? (even a little bit?)

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by marcosambrose

Its an all-new car apart from the trip computer so it cant be that bad, am i the only one here that likes the 380? (even a little bit?)

Mate your not the only one, I reckon its a fantasic car. I hate the FWD/RWD
argument.
Fact : RWD vs FWD is not a major consideration for 95% of Motorists.
As I have said in another post, lets revisit it in a year and see what transpires.
My prediction is the 380 will outsell the traditional falcon/commodore family market.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Yaw

Mate your not the only one, I reckon its a fantasic car. I hate the FWD/RWD
argument.
Fact : RWD vs FWD is not a major consideration for 95% of Motorists.
As I have said in another post, lets revisit it in a year and see what transpires.
My prediction is the 380 will outsell the traditional falcon/commodore family market.

Your dreaming if you think Mitsubishi is going to sell anywhere near what Ford / Holden Sell in Falcon/Commodores! My predictions is that they will be lucky to sell 2500 a month, maybe they will sell 4,000 in the first few months while everyone is pumped about them, but come a few months after launch when the initial excitment so to speak is over, they will be lucky to do 2500.

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Yaw

Mate your not the only one, I reckon its a fantasic car. I hate the FWD/RWD
argument.
Fact : RWD vs FWD is not a major consideration for 95% of Motorists.
As I have said in another post, lets revisit it in a year and see what transpires.
My prediction is the 380 will outsell the traditional falcon/commodore family market.

The US sells more family sized FWD cars than here but I think Australians are reluctant to by in large enough numbers to outsell the RWD holden or falcon family cars.
But will agree the 380 is a nice car.

buickman

[svo347]

380 what ahahahah

[4Vman]

Mitsubishi make great rally cars, trucks and excavators, nothing will ever change.

[buickman]

On the way home from a kids basketball match I stop off & had a look at a 380 in the flesh at the Knox dealership . They look good nice interior bar the S/Wheel. Annoying sales reps pestered me but I still would not buy 1.
Plus if Mitsubishi thinks its not the answer for survival in Australia as a manufacturer that would not help with good sales.

buickman

[Danny]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Mitsubishi make great rally cars, trucks and excavators, nothing will ever change.

We had a pretty good VCR back in the early 90's that was a mitsu.... :

[Dave_au]

For the critics of the VRX and the GT having the same power of the 380 - The Mazda 6 is in the exact same boat, Camry Sportivo, the BA NA Xr6 and the VY S was in the same boat.

In fact, if we look beyond our red and blue blood, pontential direct competition for the 380 also includes:

Alfa 156
Subaru Liberty
Audi A4 2.0L (non quottro)
Honda Accord/Accord Euro
Toyota Camry
Mazda 6
Nissan Maxima
Hyundai's family car
Volkswagen Bora/Passat
Saab 9-3
Volvo s40/v40

14 cars, 13 of which are fwd I believe.

[AU-MUSTD]

I think it's a good car but why no wagon version???? A lot of lady drivers dont care about fwd and husbands dont mind there second family car that way either.

[MNM96]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Audi A4 2.0L (non quottro)

Not the 4 door?? Because that is what Quatro stands for (Quatroporte, meaning Four Doors)?

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by MNM96

Not the 4 door?? Because that is what Quatro stands for (Quatroporte, meaning Four Doors)?

Quottro is the Audi name for AWD

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by MNM96

Not the 4 door?? Because that is what Quatro stands for (Quatroporte, meaning Four Doors)?

Quattroporte is the Maserati luxury sedan, their competitor for the Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Audi A8 and BMW 7-Series. Quattro Audi's are AWD.

[Iphido]

Mitsubishi is stuck. They know what car they need (RWD or AWD alteast decent power and some diffrent models like LWB or ute).. But they aren't allowed to build them.

If the 300c takes off in RHD markets I wonder if they might concider making them here and handing the plant back over to Chrysler..

Mitsubishi are screwed.. If they couldn't win with AWD models, decent power advantage and a extra ratio they won't win now.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by Iphido

If the 300c takes off in RHD markets I wonder if they might concider making them here and handing the plant back over to Chrysler..

That will never happen. Mitsubishi Australia will either survive on its own or close permanently.

FF

[XR Martin]

I cant believe someone with an AU (and wagon mind you) is having a go at the 380's styling ::
Pot calling kettle black anyone :