stupid speed limiter

16wantsI6 · 11-07-2005, 05:17 PM

would there be a way to remove the speed limiter on any falcon?
because i dont hear of it happening but there would have to be some way hey?

Casper · 11-07-2005, 05:20 PM

yes it can be removed with a chiptorque chip but the question is why do you want to remove it?

If its got a limiter its there because the tailshaft cant handle much more than that. Personally after hearing a few stories I certainly wouldnt want to remove the limiter on and AU and risk having the tailshaft visit me in the cabin at over 180kph.

If its an XR then it probably would have a limiter in excess of 210kph and theres just no reason or place to go over that.

16wantsI6 · 11-07-2005, 05:26 PM

lol what about in the northern territory, it would be annoying having buddies with you in the northern territory no limit area, having them thrash you because they can go excess 250k in their HSV's, im not saying i want to actually do it, heck i dont even have a car, just quering on the subject.
then theres the autobahn lol

tex · 09-01-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

lol what about in the northern territory, it would be annoying having buddies with you in the northern territory no limit area, having them thrash you because they can go excess 250k in their HSV's, im not saying i want to actually do it, heck i dont even have a car, just quering on the subject.
then theres the autobahn lol

If you've ever been in a Falcon in excess of 180 (Taxi pack speed limiter) you'll understand the silliness of your statement !
The alloy tail shaft hums, drones, and sounds like it will part company with the diff / box in your car.
I know 'cause I had a Speed Cut Defender fitted to my EF I6 (chip, suspension, brakes, exhaust CAI etc...) and it was ИИИИn hairy at 220 km... the vibration made me BACK off real quick.
A bloody HSV has been engineered for 200 kmh, FPV vehicles also, and to a lesser extent XR Falcons.
To travel at 250 KMH as you refer to is insane on public roads (wether it be NT or anyplace) in any Falcon or boggodore, and I trust that by the time you do get a car, you'll have grown out of your desire to look like a smudge on a roadside gum tree / power poll. If not, please stay away from where I drive.......

Casper · 11-07-2005, 05:30 PM

I'm thinking a driveshaft failure in the middle of nowhere in the NT trying to keep up would be a little more annoying.. .

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16wantsI6 · 11-07-2005, 05:46 PM

lol i spose, but then how come HSV's can go that fast or are holden just stupid and not know there limits lijke ford do???

b2tf · 11-07-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

lol i spose, but then how come HSV's can go that fast or are holden just stupid and not know there limits lijke ford do???

Ok I agree with Casper, its there for a reason and if you wanna push the boundaries of something like that youre asking for trouble, i.e. tailshaft in the back of the head.

Holden have different tailshafts to Fords hence their ability to tolerate slightly higher speeds on stock (i.e. non performance) tailshafts. But let me tell you they certainly are no picnic nor do they feel the safest vehicle when theyre punting along at 200kms plus. One of my scariest moments was doing that in a VY exec on a private track (and yes it was a track). I'll never do it again.

buickman · 11-07-2005, 08:42 PM

Why would you go that fast for as isn't there enough roadside crosses & flowers to remind the motorist how dangerous it is on the roads.

There is a lot of considerations not just outright speed

1 Roadworthy cond of car & there is a lot of POS that can go fast & that is all they can do.

2 Drivers ability to drive at those speeds & read the conditions even in the N.T.

3 Other motorists rights to drive without being endangered by some selfish fool

If you need to go fast take your car to a drag strip where the conditions are more controlled.
buickman

UNR8D · 11-07-2005, 06:42 PM

holden have long had 2 piece tailshafts, hell my VK had a 2 piece, ford like doing things the hard way and have had one of the longest 1 piece tailshafts in the world for quite some time, id love to remove mine but yea, drastic effects if you do and it breaks, ill consider it once i upgrade the drive train a bit more and get a balanced tailshaft or a 2 piece.

BA's have a 2 piece and still limited to 200 or 210, dont know the reason for that one, maybe just a mechanical 'protection' than out of nessasity like pre BA's.

**M&Ms** · 11-07-2005, 07:08 PM

Also not all tyres are made to handle excessive speeds. That could be another reason for the limiters.

16wantsI6 · 11-07-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by micmansour

Also not all tyres are made to handle excessive speeds. That could be another reason for the limiters.

funny that i read in an old street machine that when they first made radial tyres, they had produced tyres to withstand speeds of over 200mph...

RED_EL_XR8 · 11-07-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

funny that i read in an old street machine that when they first made radial tyres, they had produced tyres to withstand speeds of over 200mph...

Read the fine print! Even Z and W rated tyres only have to maintain those speed for a few minutes to receive certification. Not 4 hrs across rutted, pot-holed NT roads in 40°+ heat.

Psycho Chicken · 11-07-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Read the fine print! Even Z and W rated tyres only have to maintain those speed for a few minutes to receive certification. Not 4 hrs across rutted, pot-holed NT roads in 40°+ heat.

Not only for a few minutes, they are probably nitrogen filled, been sitting in tyre warmers for a few hours and been x-rayed to start with.

If you don't know why the limiter is there you shouldn't be thinking about taking it off.

Keepleft · 08-01-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by M&Ms

Also not all tyres are made to handle excessive speeds. That could be another reason for the limiters.

Not quite, ADR on the matter, Euro/UN sourced, stipulates that new market vehicles must be fitted with tyres matching or exceeding the respective vehicles top speed performance.

That said, a more recent failing is the National Vehicle Standards now allow for tyres to be fitted with less than the vehicles top speed. This applies to vehicles after ADR Compliance, those currently registered.

Its a point NT has issues with, and one I concure.

Allowed as Australia's top speed "limit" is 110km/h. Bought to you by the Victorian lobby where any speed over 122km/h results in an instant fireball.

As stated, the Ford item has the limiter to prevent driveshaft issues, I'd NOT risk playing with that. If your in NT and wnat to go faster for lengths, buy another product, or re-engineer the thing.

outback_ute · 08-01-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Allowed as Australia's top speed "limit" is 110km/h. Bought to you by the Victorian lobby where any speed over 122km/h results in an instant fireball.

You mean 112km/h lol, 122 is a bigger fine, 125 you do your licence.

The limiter is there for other reasons than just the tailshaft. Eg look at the thread from the bloke in NT with the overheating diff. Also many/every other rotating part would need more stringent balancing tolerances.

RED_EL_XR8 · 11-07-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

would there be a way to remove the speed limiter on any falcon?
because i dont hear of it happening but there would have to be some way hey?

Yes there are ways to remove speed limiting there are ways to remove the finger guards from a circular saw too, and I'm not going to give any clues on how to do either. They are there for a reason!!

If you need to ask how, then it's not something you should EVER contemplate doing.

Bucknaked · 11-07-2005, 08:31 PM

Statistic

I was driving behind a F150 oneday when something let go (clutch maybe) and the tailshaft came flying out from behind the car. No idea which way it was going. It hit the concrete barrier and came flying into my lane. Luckily we were only doing about 60. But I had to hit the brakes hard and take the cross country route. Imagine doing 250 in a car and the tailshaft lets go. If it comes out the back, i pity the poor bastard who's gonna be on the end of it. trying to swerve to miss an object flying at you at 250k's and hour, I can smell a fatality.

Let me know and I'll be sure to watch the news.

greyute · 11-07-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Statistic

I was driving behind a F150 oneday when something let go (clutch maybe) and the tailshaft came flying out from behind the car. No idea which way it was going. It hit the concrete barrier and came flying into my lane. Luckily we were only doing about 60. But I had to hit the brakes hard and take the cross country route. Imagine doing 250 in a car and the tailshaft lets go. If it comes out the back, i pity the poor bastard who's gonna be on the end of it. trying to swerve to miss an object flying at you at 250k's and hour, I can smell a fatality.

Let me know and I'll be sure to watch the news.

If you were doing 250kpa you probably wouldnt have even seen the tailshaft.
SORRY just gaging.. lol
16wantsi6 probably would love to become a caterpault when the front uni lets go, or maby not, scary thought!!!!!

Casper · 11-07-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by greyute

If you were doing 250kpa you probably wouldnt have even seen the tailshaft.
SORRY just gaging.. lol
16wantsi6 probably would love to become a caterpault when the front uni lets go, or maby not, scary thought!!!!!

At that speed it wont catapult.. it will just spear into the back of the car. Hmm, fuel and sparks at 200kph... yeehaaa!

greyute · 11-07-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

At that speed it wont catapult.. it will just spear into the back of the car. Hmm, fuel and sparks at 200kph... yeehaaa!

At least with a hole in the back like that some FOURM members could fit a fooly sick SUB WOOFER in it!!
Things could be worse.

Casper · 11-07-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by greyute

At least with a hole in the back like that some FOURM members could fit a fooly sick SUB WOOFER in it!!
Things could be worse.

Bwahahahahahhaahaha :hihi:

11-07-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

At that speed it wont catapult.. it will just spear into the back of the car. Hmm, fuel and sparks at 200kph... yeehaaa!

Casper, I remember years ago at the drags, the 1st thing looked for by the scrutineers was a tailshaft "loop" (To stop it spearing into the tarmac)
On the subject of AU utes... anything over 180 is a disaster waiting to happen! I have done 200+(a lot) in one.. (unlimited road naturally).. And the vibration nearly shakes ya teeth out!
When I told a certain Performance Mods man (Who'd done my 250kw upgrade, & a greatly respected sponser on here), His words were.. "You F***ING idiot, Mr Wool...

RED_EL_XR8 · 11-07-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by greyute

........ would love to become a caterpault when the front uni lets go, or maby not, scary thought!!!!!

I HAD a friend lose front uni in a Torana at 160Kph + , the car was torn in half , wasn't a pretty sight. Everything has limits....

Lukeyson · 09-01-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

I HAD a friend lose front uni in a Torana at 160Kph + , the car was torn in half , wasn't a pretty sight. Everything has limits....

i sneezed in the back of a torry once, near tore it in half too !! all the rust

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Blue Oval Mopar Man · 09-01-2006, 09:26 AM

One night I did Katherine BP road house to Stuart Park in Darwin in 1hr 45 mins! And I obeyed the speed limits I came across ! small towns and roadhouses , and the 100 kph speed limit starts about 30 k's out of Darwin !

My old XD had no problem with the tail shaft at all ! And no speed limiter either ! I was surprised at the time , and I had 2 freinds in the car that were not in the least bit worried on the trip! One actually fell asleep in the back for awhile !

Its only 320 000 meters from Katherine to Darwin so Its not that far ! :hihi:

EBFalcs · 08-01-2006, 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=Bucknaked]Statistic

Imagine doing 250 in a car and the tailshaft lets go. If it comes out the back, i pity the poor bastard who's gonna be on the end of it. trying to swerve to miss an object flying at you at 250k's and hour, I can smell a fatality.

i'd dare say at 250km/h there wouldn't be anyone behind you at that speed, unless they'e giving their car a thumping aswell

parawolf · 11-07-2005, 08:35 PM

Does anyone know if its possible to get an aftermarket custom made two piece tailshaft and balanced for an e-series?

347Stroker · 11-07-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

Does anyone know if its possible to get an aftermarket custom made two piece tailshaft and balanced for an e-series?

Petron Automotive in Slacks Creek Brisbane do a good one...

16wantsI6 · 11-07-2005, 09:08 PM

whoah i was just quering on the subject not creating a political debate, anyways im not worried i would not plan to do anything like that ever unless like in a highly modded car, so yeah even then it would be sh!t scary!

deankdx · 11-07-2005, 09:46 PM

yeah removing the limiter would be something you would do AFTER you had bought the best tailshaft and tyres money can buy, i was lucky when this let go in my LEXUS powered XF falcon ute, LPgas line and brake lines were torn from the car(lucky they didn't puncture) the hole in the floor is right next to the petrol tank.

the fact that i put 3.45 gears in from 2.92 means the shaft is spinning faster also for any given speed, when this let go i was no where even close to the ford speed limiter(i was doing a bit over 100Kmh but under hard accelleration) the lexus in america is speed limited to 150MPH
buckled the floor, rooted the diff too.