Ford USA change of heart.

[Tonz]

How I wish we had a government and or leader that had the balls to stand up to manufacturers like President elect Trump has to Ford USA.
They were planning to build complete new assembly plant in Mexico but after a tirade from Trump have decided to reinvest a billion $$$ in Detroit that will employ an extra 700 people.

But with leadership and potential leadership here in Australia we can only dream, drooll and stare in amazement at the potential he is bring to their country.

I am having a big fight on facebok with some americans over the potential that Trump can bring to their nation.

I got shut down when I classed them as negative, loosing, hypocrites who cant, dont or wont believe in their countries financial prosperity future.

[boss351290]

Doesn't our prime minister have millions of his own money tied up in off shore bank accounts in the Hayman islands??? And he asks all of us to pay tax but he does everything to avoid it. Australia has no chance anymore. It's each for themselves mentality

[vztrt]

Hmmm so before Ford was planning on building focus in mexico and build something else in the old focus plant (which would require money invested to tool up) and now Ford will build the Focus in Mexico and build something else in the old Focus plant. Hmmm ok.

[Adamz Ghia]

According to Ford the same decision would have been made regardless due to softening demand.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

According to Ford the same decision would have been made regardless due to softening demand.

That's what Ford want the public to believe. A change in government administration was more likely the motivating factor.

Successive governments in Australia has said there is nothing they could do to stop the demise of the car makers closing up here; Donald Trump has shown them up for the liars they are.

[Cav]

The reason no more production of Falcon and Commodore is that we are not buying them, or indeed other Ford products

Ford’s Australian sales have declined every year since 2004 when they hit 135,172, dropping to 79,703 in 2015.

Sales of Falcon dropped to less than 300 a month in 2016

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Cav

The reason no more production of Falcon and Commodore is that we are not buying them, or indeed other Ford products

Ford’s Australian sales have declined every year since 2004 when they hit 135,172, dropping to 79,703 in 2015.

Sales of Falcon dropped to less than 300 a month in 2016

Correct before anyone invests in selling a product, the public have to embrace and buy the product after all this is share holder and our tax payer money.

I am not sure why people don't understanding this, would they plough millions of dollars into something so you can loose money..

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Cav

The reason no more production of Falcon and Commodore is that we are not buying them, or indeed other Ford products

Ford’s Australian sales have declined every year since 2004 when they hit 135,172, dropping to 79,703 in 2015.

Sales of Falcon dropped to less than 300 a month in 2016

Unlike Australia, the US actively supported it's automotive sector (to a point) by introducing Buy America policy, encouraging every organisation from local council to federal government to buy US first.

The Australian government at all levels has been implicit in the demise of the local automotive sector by doing the exact opposite of what could have supported the local industry. Buying 100,000's of imported vehicles, manipulating CO2 ratings to exclude local cars from government contracts and the list goes on......

[Trump]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Doesn't our prime minister have millions of his own money tied up in off shore bank accounts in the Hayman islands??? And he asks all of us to pay tax but he does everything to avoid it. Australia has no chance anymore. It's each for themselves mentality

I think you mean the Cayman Islands

[XByoot]

Vanuatu is another fav for the spiv dealers apparently.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by Trump

I think you mean the Cayman Islands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BJEh78MAWc

[Davehoos]

I have American friends with skills that have moved back to the USA.
they had been living here for lifestyle reasons.

silly the stuff you read by those that should know better. Always going to be a direction change with each next generation. Same rubbish you read about OZ. stuff I see reported about Victoria gives us the impression they have 2 heads.

those that ignore history are doomed.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Trump

I think you mean the Cayman Islands

Or maybe the Gayman Islands?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Doesn't our prime minister have millions of his own money tied up in off shore bank accounts in the Hayman islands??? And he asks all of us to pay tax but he does everything to avoid it. Australia has no chance anymore. It's each for themselves mentality

Yes he was asked to do that so that he has NO Australian investments. If he had Australian investments his position as PM would be a Conflict of interest as his decisions would have a direct impact on his investment earnings.

But Lefties sook either way.

We should have a mother Kevin or Julia so the country can prosper..

[jandj]

Originally Posted by Tonz

How I wish we had a government and or leader that had the balls to stand up to manufacturers like President elect Trump has to Ford USA.
They were planning to build complete new assembly plant in Mexico but after a tirade from Trump have decided to reinvest a billion $$$ in Detroit that will employ an extra 700 people.

But with leadership and potential leadership here in Australia we can only dream, drooll and stare in amazement at the potential he is bring to their country.

I am having a big fight on facebok with some americans over the potential that Trump can bring to their nation.

I got shut down when I classed them as negative, loosing, hypocrites who cant, dont or wont believe in their countries financial prosperity future.

I was reading on Facebook as well about Fords decision to invest $ in Detroit, I'm also quite amazed at the negative towards Trump becoming president.
I hope that trump & his team can bring jobs back to USA , it may give Australia hope for the future.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by jandj

I I'm also quite amazed at the negative towards Trump becoming president. .

His problem is that he makes himself sound dumber than he actually is. The anti Trump people only remember the stupid things he says.

I am not a Trump fan, but I don't support his opposition either.

[danzvtil]

The plan all along was to move low margin focus to Mexico, and start building high margin ranger in the us. A smackdown by trump doesn't change that.

[csv8]

Trump is going to make things interesting, after he becomes President!!

[Blue Shadow]

Not according to Ford


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busi...04-gtm7ij.html

[superyob]

So funny yet so gross...

[paule11]

Originally Posted by superyob

So funny yet so gross...

Shhhh you will upset the Political correct Social Justice Warriors

[Cav]

4.5 billion to Toyota (Japan) and Ford and Holden (USA) of taxpayers money to build cars in Australia and they squandered it.

The FTA agreements between Australia Japan and USA are still helping them.

[Windsor220]

You cant sell enough in Aus to make it viable. Especially when you are selling a product that is almost dead. Comparing us to America is stupid its a completely different scale.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

You cant sell enough in Aus to make it viable. Especially when you are selling a product that is almost dead. Comparing us to America is stupid its a completely different scale.

Ford and Holden did, for decades, with their sales peaking in the early 2000's.

I put it to you it was government policy which caused the demise of the automotive sector, from both sides of politics.

Tell me again how these FTA's have benefited the workers of Australia?

Where Obama said there was nothing the government could do to stop manufacturing from leaving the US and going overseas, Trump has made Obama look like a fool, a lame duck President.

[SpoolMan]

They never made money, maybe a few years of small profits and it was us the tax payer that kept the car's coming which I didn't mind as employment keeps the economy rolling, but now it got to a point where the product being produced was no longer being purchased, hence why would you spend money on building it.

Blame who ever we like but If this was my money I wouldn't spend it like this, I doubt you anyone would spend your family's money on a product that no one buys or doesn't return a profit after huge outlays of money.
The debate well go on forever at the end of every financial year it's Sales speak volumes.
2014 Toyota reported they are losing $2500 on each of the 70,000 Camry's they export Middle East annually and they have had $1.2 billion in tax payer assistance over the last decade.
I don't know how many of you read this article, $7000 paid by the tax payer for each 4cyl Falcon built.
''Confidential figures obtained by News Corp Australia reveal that, in addition to $7000 for every four-cylinder Falcon sold — up to 20 per cent of the purchase price''
http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...ce99b925b19800

These numbers are a few years old.

Government funding (2001 to 2012):
Holden: $2.17 billion
Toyota: $1.2 billion
Ford: $1.1 billion

Annual average (2001 to 2012):
Holden: $180 million
Toyota: $95.8 million
Ford: $87.8 million

Cars made locally in 2012:
Holden: 85,000
Toyota: 101,500
Ford: 37,000

Average taxpayer dollars per car built in 2012:
Holden: $2117
Toyota: $944
Ford: $2372

[Squalo]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Where Obama said there was nothing the government could do to stop manufacturing from leaving the US and going overseas, Trump has made Obama look like a fool, a lame duck President.

The only people Trump makes look like fools (other than himself) are those gullible enough to believe his rhetoric.

The Ford Focus thing is a terrific case in point - Ford makes their decision, and Trump piggybacks on it with a single tweet. He actually did nothing to influence the decision.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Ford and Holden did, for decades, with their sales peaking in the early 2000's.

Sure back when all people bought were Falcon and Commodore but those days are long gone.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Ford and Holden did, for decades, with their sales peaking in the early 2000's.

I put it to you it was government policy which caused the demise of the automotive sector, from both sides of politics.

Tell me again how these FTA's have benefited the workers of Australia?

Where Obama said there was nothing the government could do to stop manufacturing from leaving the US and going overseas, Trump has made Obama look like a fool, a lame duck President.

US manufacturing has been growing. There are less jobs due to automation.why pay someone when you can get a machine to do it quicker and more accurately. Plus the machine doesnt whinge like people.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Bear in mind, Trump hasn't actually don't anything yet.

I am also interested to see what he puts into motion once he is president but let's stop pretending that he has already revitalised the dwindling US economy. He hasn't.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Tonz

How I wish we had a government and or leader that had the balls to stand up to manufacturers like President elect Trump has to Ford USA.
They were planning to build complete new assembly plant in Mexico but after a tirade from Trump have decided to reinvest a billion $$$ in Detroit that will employ an extra 700 people.

But with leadership and potential leadership here in Australia we can only dream, drooll and stare in amazement at the potential he is bring to their country.

I am having a big fight on facebok with some americans over the potential that Trump can bring to their nation.

I got shut down when I classed them as negative, loosing, hypocrites who cant, dont or wont believe in their countries financial prosperity future.

I have to say i dont think much of this fella Mr Trump (personal opinion ) , but at least it appears he is trying to rebuild manufacturing and labor type jobs and get his country going .
Our pollies for decades have done everything with policy to favor imports , on one hand they give some handouts to the locals to appease the public ...... oh look, we are fully supporting manufacturing ....arent we good pollies ???? Wheres my skippy badge ???
Then they destroy manufacturing with ever increasing costs and trade imposts.
When was the last time we heard any Aussie pollie in the top job say with any conviction and follow up with any policy to make people buy Australian ? or .... actually say " buy Australian " ???
You cant compete with other companies if you cant put enough dollars in to make a competitive product .

The mere fact other countries can build a car to higher standard , put more stuff into it ......... ship it thousands of miles across the world , sell it and still make a decent profit ,
where as our local car makers ..... every single one of them is either running at a loss or just battling to break even should be a clue that our local companies are getting ........ and have been getting the shaft for years.
And it obvious this is having an effect on the country , see all the homeless dudes around the burbs and in the cities and increasing crime rate ???
This is a direct result of what happens when you kill off the labor market and manufacturing and go for some short term gain in trade .