Hyundai is outselling Holden in 2015

[Syndrome]

As I said before on this forum, Ford and GM will become bit players in the Australian new car market after they cease local production. And to think they dominated this market for more than half a century.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...-1227508155975

[MethodX]

Sad news.

[csv8]

At least GM is taking the Commodore out in style...Ford has done nothing with the Falcon..its so sad..Ford should hang their head in shame...

[superfly]

Originally Posted by csv8

At least GM is taking the Commodore out in style...Ford has done nothing with the Falcon..its so sad..Ford should hang their head in shame...

Not that I've seen it advertised as yet but aren't Ford doing a 'Sprint' special of the XR6 and 8?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by csv8

At least GM is taking the Commodore out in style...Ford has done nothing with the Falcon..its so sad..Ford should hang their head in shame...

seriously??

you truly believe Ford have done nothing with falcon? I think given the budget constraints, what Ford has achieved with the final falcon is actually quite brilliant. It will go out as easily the best falcon ever, and the workers can hold their heads high.

Ford also have a history of standing on their own 2 feet to get through financial difficulties, not just borrowing endlessly from taxpayers and govt's.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by prydey

seriously??

you truly believe Ford have done nothing with falcon? I think given the budget constraints, what Ford has achieved with the final falcon is actually quite brilliant. It will go out as easily the best falcon ever, and the workers can hold their heads high.

Ford also have a history of standing on their own 2 feet to get through financial difficulties, not just borrowing endlessly from taxpayers and govt's.

Ford has taken gov money also.

[rancidpunx]

Very sad state of affairs. Ford and Holden will be the Hyundai and Kia of yesterday. Holden have nothing going for them moving forward but at least Ford have some great cars just the publics perceptions of the brands is terrible. Ford marketing over all models has been appalling.

[Wretched]

You reap what you sow.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

How many times have we seen a market leader (in any market) lose that leadership?

That is what happens when you become complacent in a competitive marketplace.

[351LTD]

Sorry no tears after 40 plus years of Bad Ford service and i think both Holden and Ford still have not learn anything over time.Now own a Hyundai (first non FORD) 5 years warranty and last service cost $129 with No problems or addons.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

Sorry no tears after 40 plus years of Bad Ford service and i think both Holden and Ford still have not learn anything over time.Now own a Hyundai (first non FORD) 5 years warranty and last service cost $129 with No problems or addons.

I think Hyundai make great cars. I owned some from new a 1989 Excel, 1993 Lantra and a 1994 Sonata.

But $129 sounds real cheap. Is that for every 6 months? What is Hyundai's service schedule? 10K/12 months? If you buy the Genesis, you get free servicing for 5 years

Toyota also had a $130 service but it was every 6 months.

I'm happy with what I pay Ford. It's only every 15K and includes $85 worth of road side assist. Works for me.

[mik]

Originally Posted by superfly

I think Hyundai make great cars. I owned some from new a 1989 Excel, 1993 Lantra and a 1994 Sonata.

But $129 sounds real cheap. Is that for every 6 months? What is Hyundai's service schedule? 10K/12 months? If you buy the Genesis, you get free servicing for 5 years

Toyota also had a $130 service but it was every 6 months.

I'm happy with what I pay Ford. It's only every 15K and includes $85 worth of road side assist. Works for me.

yes despite the henrys odd little niggles , i think they are a cheap car to run in the long term , i totalled up what my henry owes me for 10 years ownership with every single expense including fuel , insurance, rego, parts ,labor, cost of the car, etc ,etc, then just to make sure i added 5k to the end figure , it was a bloody cheap car to run, of course every ones personal cost will vary , but in my case it was dam good for a big car.

[351LTD]

Service every 7500 Kms Zeloster turbo so 150 Kws of fwd not really boring for the wife to drive to work and us to go away in when the 393s fuel usage gets a bit much.

[csv8]

"August is customarily a tough month for new-car sales as buyers cash in on end-of-financial year deals in June that sometimes push deliveries to July.

Market leader Toyota was down by 7.2 per cent, as were Holden (down 8.9 per cent) and Ford, which was down a staggering 22.5 per cent off a low base."
My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by csv8

"August is customarily a tough month for new-car sales as buyers cash in on end-of-financial year deals in June that sometimes push deliveries to July.

Market leader Toyota was down by 7.2 per cent, as were Holden (down 8.9 per cent) and Ford, which was down a staggering 22.5 per cent off a low base."
My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

Could be those of us who bought Hyundai's over Fords have "given up on Australia".

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by csv8

"August is customarily a tough month for new-car sales as buyers cash in on end-of-financial year deals in June that sometimes push deliveries to July.

Market leader Toyota was down by 7.2 per cent, as were Holden (down 8.9 per cent) and Ford, which was down a staggering 22.5 per cent off a low base."
My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

Ford Australia sold 5747 cars in July. Ford US sold 70,000 F series pickups in Aug....do you think Australia gets that much focus in the monday morning meeting?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Spammy

Ford Australia sold 5747 cars in July. Ford US sold 70,000 F series pickups in Aug....do you think Australia gets that much focus in the monday morning meeting?

May be not Monday but EOM reporting it may get some attention when there is some RED showing...

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by csv8

My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

How do you know that alarm bells are not ringing? Or are you just jumping to conclusions based upon your own experiences and expectations.

So, lets assume that alarm bells are ringing. What would you, as a member of the general public, expect to see from Ford? An ad saying we got it wrong? An immediate discount on the cars they have available to sell in this country? Flying in imported vehicles to ensure that supply issues are not the constraint?

I'm sorry, but if alarm bells are, or are not, ringing with Ford management, I doubt any of us would see any immediate changes. To rectify this situation is going to take a long time, not an instantaneous correction.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

How do you know that alarm bells are not ringing? Or are you just jumping to conclusions based upon your own experiences and expectations.

So, lets assume that alarm bells are ringing. What would you, as a member of the general public, expect to see from Ford? An ad saying we got it wrong? An immediate discount on the cars they have available to sell in this country? Flying in imported vehicles to ensure that supply issues are not the constraint?

I'm sorry, but if alarm bells are, or are not, ringing with Ford management, I doubt any of us would see any immediate changes. To rectify this situation is going to take a long time, not an instantaneous correction.

What I would expect is an annoucement that Ford Australia will be closing in 2016, along with manufacturing and a new business entity will be formed. This new entity will have a new dealer network and new hires for most of its positions. Existing warranties will be honoured, but the old Ford Australia is dead.

In other words, they need to start again with a clean sheet. Ford Australia is broken and nothing is fixing it.

[STINKY NINJA]

Hyundai have had much better cars than ford or holden for a long time,why such a surprise?

[mik]

Not surprising in the least, just the smell of a brand getting ready to shut doors and throw away the key is enough to kill off some sales.
And theres no escaping the korean cars throwing extra warranty on their cars is a big draw card , boring as bat **** but good value will always look better to point A to point B car buyers than more versatile better driving cars that are probably more expensive to run, especially in these unstable economic times.

i bloody dislike front wheel drive hacks with a passion(no disrespect intended fwd owners , its just me) ,
but every now now and again i get in a mood and cant be bothered with looking at repairing my old bangers and get a thought buying a newy in my head.................... and i have to say at one stage a boring as bat poo hyundai was actually on the list, purely as a economical value substitute, for those of us with limited cash , the value thing with extra warranty certainly looks good for the consideration of running cost in the long term ownership.
but i really dont know if it would pan out cheaper in the long run even with the extra warranty.

[STINKY NINJA]

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

[mik]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

While it may a appear to be that way , sales and marketing is not always as it appears,

Some well off company's to get a foot hold in the market will be prepared to offer value added things like warranty at the expense of profit margins for an extended period , and the quality of the product may or may not be questionable, not saying that's the case here , but things are not always as they seem.
And let's face it if you wanted to sell a product and had a huge resource/cash base, it would certainly be a good strategy if you knew your competitors where doing it tuff.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

5 year warranty is the exception, not the norm. 3yr/100000km is still by far the majority cover for most makes.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

I’d rather have a vehicle that doesn’t see the dealer so often and comes with a 3 year warranty over one that is at the dealer more then it’s on the road and comes with a 5 year warranty, just because it has a longer warranty doesn’t mean its built better.

Oh and those extra years of warranty are only applicable if you get your vehicle serviced through a national dealer.

I’ve had Ford’s and never had any issues that have needed a longer period of warranty, something to think about.

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I’d rather have a vehicle that doesn’t see the dealer so often and comes with a 3 year warranty over one that is at the dealer more then it’s on the road and comes with a 5 year warranty, just because it has a longer warranty doesn’t mean its built better.

Oh and those extra years of warranty are only applicable if you get your vehicle serviced through a national dealer.

I’ve had Ford’s and never had any issues that have needed a longer period of warranty, something to think about.

I bought a brand new 2012 turbo ute that spent more time at the dealer with warranty issues than almost any other ive heard of, maybe have a think about that,we all know ba/bf/fg/fgx are lumbered with common problems that have existed for over 10 years,of course some get lucky but most have a lot of warranty issues,think about that.
You sound like a loyalist with his eyes wide shut like many others,im a realist and say it like it is,the truth hurts and I expect comments like yours from a ford forum,its the nature of the beast.
I expect people like you to still be sticking up for the falcon when they are long gone,no matter how crappy and unreliable they were...
You were one of a few lucky falcon owners,i am one of the many unlucky ones,just read through the forum if you can open your eyes long enough...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

You were one of a few lucky falcon owners,i am one of the many unlucky ones,just read through the forum if you can open your eyes long enough...

just like any review site on any product you care to think of, negative reviews will be over represented due mainly to the fact that people basically only take the time to review a product if it is giving them grief. those that aren't having issues generally don't complain or leave reviews. its no different on a car forum. problems seem a lot worse than the reality due to the over representation of those kinds of topics.

an individuals sample size of any particular model is very very small, and its impossible to come to any accurate conclusion based on a forum and your circle of friends/aquaintences.

even FGX is selling at around 3-600 units every month. how many of those are on a forum talking about their car? 1%?? multiply that by FG, FG2 and FGX and you soon realise how small the sample size a forum actually provides.

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Come on guys seriously lol
They aren't stopping making the falcon because its an awesome reliable car that never has warranty/reliability/qc/inherent problems ford refused to fix to save a few bucks, are they?
Haha
I think ive made my point,if I tell any more truths ill be in the *****.
Good day gentlemen and ladies.

do you know the reason?

do you think it could possibly be due to the high labour costs here, and the fact we are a little island out in the middle of the pacific building an orphan car. car manufacturing plants need volume. ford australia was always going to close manufacturing at some point.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

I bought a brand new 2012 turbo ute that spent more time at the dealer with warranty issues than almost any other ive heard of, maybe have a think about that,we all know ba/bf/fg/fgx are lumbered with common problems that have existed for over 10 years,of course some get lucky but most have a lot of warranty issues,think about that.
You sound like a loyalist with his eyes wide shut like many others,im a realist and say it like it is,the truth hurts and I expect comments like yours from a ford forum,its the nature of the beast.
I expect people like you to still be sticking up for the falcon when they are long gone,no matter how crappy and unreliable they were...
You were one of a few lucky falcon owners,i am one of the many unlucky ones,just read through the forum if you can open your eyes long enough...

I think your the one with the slanted eyes mate if you believe that dribble that you wrote, where are all these lumbered vehicles that evidently are prone to problems that are ever so common ?.

Of course there are drama’s but if you are basing your fact’s on the concern’s of other’s from this forum and other’s alone then it clearly show’s how single minded of an individual you are, here’s a little piece of knowledge for you, all makes and manufacturer’s have their troubles and the only time you hear about them is in forums like this, but ask yourself how many actual vehicles on the road are plaque’d with those same issues, not all and certaintly not the majority of them, have a think about that. Do you see Falcon’s left right and centre on the side of the road day in day out do you ?.

You’ve had drama’s, I haven’t, you’ve so called heard about other’s having drama’s (probably from your uncle who heard it from someone in the dr’s room what ever blah blah..) They are a very small minority.

Maybe you should visit a site like whirlpool as they speak and believe the dribble that you come up with.

I’m a realist and clearly you’re far from that.

[Sprintey]

On topic, agree with OP that Holden and Ford will be bit players once domestic manufacturing is gone. For Ford, they actually have decent imported product (like new Focus with torque converter auto) - perplexing why sales of this are crashing off lows. Ford Australia 2005-15 will make a fascinating study case for marketing and business majors in years to come I am sure.

For Holden after Commodore, uuuummmm, yeah. Good on them for the effort they put into the VF, but if they want their imports to make a mark and be respected they should ditch the entire lineup then get a new one full of cool GM vehicles to fall out of the sky in fireballs with explosions and Optimus Prime and turn into giant robots and

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

I bought a brand new 2012 turbo ute that spent more time at the dealer with warranty issues than almost any other ive heard of, maybe have a think about that,we all know ba/bf/fg/fgx are lumbered with common problems that have existed for over 10 years,of course some get lucky but most have a lot of warranty issues,think about that.

Funny enough I have a 2012 FGII ute. 1 warranty claim early on from then its just serviced and driven. Been a good car. My old BFII is still going strong at my folks place, few fixes required but went to QLD and back no problems last Christmas. Drove it recently and no dramas with the car.

But its funny two women at my work one owns a Hyundai Santa Fei and the other owns a KIA SUV and both of them have had the same transmission problem where you put it in drive and the car doesn't go. The KIA has done work on the transmission while Hyundai can't get it to happen (as the problem is intermittent) so it does it from time to time. So from your logic I should assume all KIA and Hyundai SUV's are garbage and never to consider one.

Originally Posted by ebv8

just wait until Hyundai bring out their mid size dual cab ute. look out toyota

For commercial vehicles I don't think Hyundai would be a success quickly. Hilux's sell very well and they are quite mediocre.