air conditioner gas to go up 220% june 30th ?

[mik]

i just spoke to a mate who was speaking to a mechanic up his way, apparently air conditioner gas due to the carbon tax is going up 220 % as of june 30th,
i can`t verify this, perhaps one of the brains trust can shed more light?

[BHDOGS]

People will hike everything and claim the carbon tax people should be wary of this it's gonna be a major scam as for air con had no idea

[EDManual]

even if the libs can the carbon tax, I doubt prices of goods and labour would drop when their electricity expenses drop back down! Theives! ;-) I know my bosses wouldnt!

[Cúl-Báire]

I believe we will see an exponential increase in the cost of goods, and services across the board with this one!!!... Thanks Labour!

Re: Aircon Gas, I've heard the same 220% increase come 30 June.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by Cúl-Báire

I believe we will see an exponential increase in the cost of goods, and services across the board with this one!!!... Thanks Labour!

Re: Aircon Gas, I've heard the same 220% increase come 30 June.

lol blame the companies passing the buck to their consumers, this tax is intended for them, but as usual the bigger picture isn't seen and the cost is simply passed down to the consumer so the company can retain their lucre.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol blame the companies passing the buck to their consumers, this tax is intended for them, but as usual the bigger picture isn't seen and the cost is simply passed down to the consumer so the company can retain their lucre.

every one including the creators of this tax knew that, so we will blame the people who brought it in

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol blame the companies passing the buck to their consumers, this tax is intended for them, but as usual the bigger picture isn't seen and the cost is simply passed down to the consumer so the company can retain their lucre.

Because everyone knows people go into business to give away their services and be philanthropists dont they . " Lucre " ! If only you had the faintest grasp of how close to the wind a lot of small businesses fly , and even if they dont profit is NOT a dirty word . If you dont want to pay for their services go elsewhere , unless it has escaped your notce we live in a capitalist society , if that is so offensive to you I hear Noth Korea is nice , you lot should fit right in with your chip on the shoulder world owes me a living left wing attitude . The loony left are out in full flight on this forum topic aren't they !!!!

[J.C.]

I think we should all come to peace with the fact that prices rarely drop. As said already, even if the carbon tax is canned (which I'm sure it won't be), prices of goods and services will most likely stay the same because consumers have learnt to live with the price increases, which means more coin for the government.

We either learn to live with it or revolt......................I don't think the later is an option either as they have taken our guns off us as well so we can't go shoot the bastards (maybe a board with a rusty nail in it will do the job), plus we are all to busy trying to make ends meet that we just don't have the time to run or be a part of a revolution.

Got to love this form of communistic democrary that has crept into our government.

I ask myself daily "Who are the real criminals in our society? The bloke doing 5k over the speed limit or the thieves in politics who come up with ways on how to screw us all on a daily basis and make it law?"

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by J.C.

We either learn to live with it or revolt......................I don't think the later is an option either as they have taken our guns off us as well so we can't go shoot the bastards (maybe a board with a rusty nail in it will do the job), plus we are all to busy trying to make ends meet that we just don't have the time to run or be a part of a revolution.

tahrir square in egypt.

no guns. no food, government provocateurs trying to incite violence.

they got rid of a dictator, and now are about to rid themselves of the dictators army.

it's not that we are busy, it's that as a collective we are lazy. and governments know that.

[Jim Goose]

And the ignorance continues.....

People are inherantly stupid it seems.

The ACCC announced this today:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-1...-hikes/4005218

Watchdog warns of carbon tax cons
AM
By Lindy Kerin


The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) is warning customers to be wary of businesses claiming excessive price rises due to the carbon tax.

The ACCC say it is currently investigating around 100 misleading or deceptive claims made in relation to the tax.

They include a brick supplier who said a cost increase last month was due to the tax, which has not yet been implemented.

ACCC chairman Rod Sims says he does not want consumers blindly accepting price rises because of the carbon tax.

"If someone, say, a year ago put up their prices or tried to put up their prices by 10 per cent, customers would push back and look for other options," he said.

"What we don't want is on July 1, people being duped into accepting a price increase because they believe wrongly that it's associated with the carbon price."

Just weeks before the carbon tax is due to come into effect, the consumer watchdog says it will crack down on shonky sales reps and sharks who are trying to cash in.

The ACCC says it has received complaints about companies telling their potential customers to buy now and beat the carbon tax.

It says companies who continue to mislead customers could face fines of up to $1 million.

"We've had a number of both concerning examples, and in a sense less concerning examples," he said.

"The less-concerning ones are people that are - a petrol station trying to tell people the price of fuel had gone up because of the carbon tax, a taxi driver, cafe owner, brick making company, trying to do the same thing all before the carbon tax has actually come in.

"More concerning have been examples where we think customers might be induced to do things they otherwise wouldn't do and that's where we have more concerns.

"And they've been examples where people have greatly exaggerated the effect of the carbon price on electricity prices, for example, to try and sell renewable energy."
Watching carefully
Audio: ACCC crackdown on carbon cons (AM)

Mr Sims also said there had been examples of construction-orientated industries have told people to buy now to beat the carbon price.

"It's just normal types of price increases," he said.

"On the electricity (front), that's where we've seen some representations that electricity prices would increase by extremely large amounts, in some cases hundreds of per cent over a period of some years.

"The aim there has been to get people to buy alternative forms of energy to avoid the electricity price increase."

Despite his concerns, Mr Sims said the practice is not widespread yet but the ACCC were "watching very carefully".

Companies caught out by ACCC face everything from reprimand to court action.

"We can issue substantiation notices where somebody's said something and we've said please substantiate that," he said.

"That's a fairly new power that we've got.

"And ultimately if we find somebody recalcitrant who's just really not willing to change their behaviour, we can take them to court and get court-imposed penalties which in the extreme can be up to $1.1 million for each offence."

If your dumb enough to believe that its a legitimate claim that something will go up 220% ... I have a bridge for sale....

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And the ignorance continues.....

People are inherantly stupid it seems.

The ACCC announced this today:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-1...-hikes/4005218



If your dumb enough to believe that its a legitimate claim that something will go up 220% ... I have a bridge for sale....

ACCC? buch of gutless sellouts who would sell their own mothers if a corporation sent some cash their way.


was it AGL that was found to be price gouging and all they did was send them a letter?

[pottery beige]

the tax we had to have.. so said the ranga for all of us....

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

The ACCC announced this today:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-1...-hikes/4005218

The ACCC announced this in 2007:
"On 15 June 2007 the then Treasurer approved the holding of a price inquiry by the ACCC into the price of unleaded petrol, pursuant to section 95H(2) of Part VIIA of the Trade Practices Act 1974 (the Act)."

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.../itemId/806216

Yeah right!

[atec77]

Originally Posted by mik

i just spoke to a mate who was speaking to a mechanic up his way, apparently air conditioner gas due to the carbon tax is going up 220 % as of june 30th,
i can`t verify this, perhaps one of the brains trust can shed more light?

Gasses will go up of course but the amount above the allowed amount as you suggest depends on the greed of the seller
certainly you are mis-informed imho

[mik]

Originally Posted by atec77

Gasses will go up of course but the amount above the allowed amount as you suggest depends on the greed of the seller
certainly you are mis-informed imho

i hope that i am misinformed, but nothing would surprise me the way things are going.

[J.C.]

The ACCC has no teeth. All **** and wind.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by J.C.

The ACCC has no teeth. All **** and wind.

This may be true... but the fact remains that some idiot claims that gas will go up by 220% needs to be reported to them for scaremongering.

And if people believe that companies wont try and rip people off and use the excuse thats its "the carbon taxes" fault then they are living in a bubble...

and no i dont support the tax.... and i understand things will go up to cover the costs etc.... but people/ tradies/ companies are already lieing to people and ripping them off. Its the aussie way....

[Jastel]

I have heard the same from a mate who is a fridgie.

If you think this is BS try to buy a bottle...you cant.
Everyone has stocked up.

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

This may be true... but the fact remains that some idiot claims that gas will go up by 220% needs to be reported to them for scaremongering.

And if people believe that companies wont try and rip people off and use the excuse thats its "the carbon taxes" fault then they are living in a bubble...

and no i dont support the tax.... and i understand things will go up to cover the costs etc.... but people/ tradies/ companies are already lieing to people and ripping them off. Its the aussie way....

Hey. I agree with you here. 220% is a bit excessive to believe.

Take your advice here and do the community a service. Give the ACCC a call on this one and see what they have to say. Sweet FA I reckon..............but may be worth a go. Let us know how you get along with that too.
And when the price of A/C gas goes up 220% after June, I'll crap my pants in dismay and disbelief and I'll know your call fell on deaf ears.

The more I think about it, the more I'm start to lean toward the revolution idea. We mighten be able to shoot them but there is hope they'll die of tetanus after we stick 'em with our rusty nails attached it our 4x2's.

[The Yeti]

what can I say, but I didnt vote fore them

who has used LPG in Auto AC systems, Ive heard of taxi's doing it but I dont know how well it works

[IceValk85]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

what can I say, but I didnt vote fore them

who has used LPG in Auto AC systems, Ive heard of taxi's doing it but I dont know how well it works

heheheheh KABLAMMMOOO!

imagine the storm when you get a leak under the bonnet lol!

[cs123]

Originally Posted by IceValk85

heheheheh KABLAMMMOOO!

imagine the shitstorm when you get a leak under the bonnet lol!

Hychil. A few people use it. probably a good option for older systems. It's been discussed in a few threads here.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by cs123

Hychil. A few people use it. probably a good option for older systems. It's been discussed in a few threads here.

Hychil isn't LPG, but it is a similar type of gas.

LPG actually works quite well, but I'd be worried in a crash.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by IceValk85

heheheheh KABLAMMMOOO!

imagine the shitstorm when you get a leak under the bonnet lol!

Ha ha ha yea

Give me some credit,

an airconditioner is nothing more than a heat exchanger system LPG has all the qualitys required at a very simular boiling point

Like I said before I have read about it was curious as to who had used it and how it went

thanks CS123 I'll do some thread mining

[Cobramad]

Just wait til LPG goes up in the car.. its a killer.. so to speak!
No OEM refrigerant is flammable!

[foxtrot3]

Originally Posted by Cobramad

Just wait til LPG goes up in the car.. its a killer.. so to speak!
No OEM refrigerant is flammable!

Hi. But if you burn R12 the result is mustard gas (a highly toxic gas used in WW2) Cheers MD

[mash again]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

what can I say, but I didnt vote fore them

who has used LPG in Auto AC systems, Ive heard of taxi's doing it but I dont know how well it works

Makes the pressure abit high on a hot day, need a propane butane mix (autogas) There isnt much gas in an AC system and it would be very hard to reach the LEL required for an explosion. Propane has been used as a refrigerant for years but not in mobile applications at least not legally. anyone know what happens if your AC pushes all its "legal" gas into the cabin???

[ratter]

it causes damage to late model compressors

[kempy311]

We had a rep come into work and he informed us that the price will be increasing by 300% after that i had to get up off the floor.

[Herrod Motorsport]

Yep they are right , all thanks to our labour party carbon tax