nascar Vs V8 supercar

Zedjay · 21-09-2009, 06:50 AM

just watching Nascar on fox..
man those things rev hard.

what would be quicker V8 sc or a Nascar??

also they look as though they all have the same body!!

:

**DJM83** · 21-09-2009, 07:47 AM

Nascar have a higher top speed but i think a V8 would be a little quicker in the corners.

GT450 · 21-09-2009, 08:03 AM

Nascars would be quicker on the larger ovals over 200mph but they are heavier and old tecnology have no lights or glass. The highest speed i have seen on an Australian track was 308 KMH or 191mph by Russell Ingall on conrod straight at bathurst when they raced them there some years ago. For continuous lap times though Supercars on a race circuit would be quicker as nascars brakes do not work well as they are really made just to slow the cars down on the oval tracks
Cheers
GT450

KPOJ · 21-09-2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT450

Supercars on a race circuit would be quicker as nascars brakes do not work well as they are really made just to slow the cars down on the oval tracks
Cheers
GT450

No really mate, nascar run a very sim ilar caliper if not better. Supercars only advantage is a larger rotor which then also slows down the cars top speed.

Nascar caliper.
http://www.performancefrictionbrakes....php?ID=38.323

Supercar (bathurst) pre control caliper.
http://www.performancefrictionbrakes....php?ID=27.378

Quote:

5.7 methanol powerd 9200 rpm 320kph space frame with pannels.
versus
5.0 ethanol powerd 7500 rpm 290kph lightend body with rollcage.

Not really mate, a supercar is more of a stell monocoque then a lightened shell, fabricated floor and structural roof. Still a very effective way of a strong chassis.

Quote:

Australian V8 Touring car should come back as production car racing not V8 supercar, which is similar to Nascar.

Go watch the shannons national, i want to see mutant, ridiculously fast cars for the premier class in the country.

Scott · 21-09-2009, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedjay

also they look as though they all have the same body!!

:

They do mate. Each team builds a chassis to a rig then hangs standardised panels on it. The only difference being the stickerpack to make it look like one brand or another.

Bushbasher · 21-09-2009, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by GTP006

Quote:

They do mate. Each team builds a chassis to a rig then hangs standardised panels on it. The only difference being the stickerpack to make it look like one brand or another.

V8 supercar isn't much different now, both red and blue are on the same floor pan and suspension, it's just the body panels that are different. In fact they have to shorten the FG panels to make them fit. The whole car is shorter by an inch or so front and back than the road car and 1.5" lower. I've totally lost interst in V8SC now. After going to MCM the other week I'd much prefer to spend my hard earned going to a Masters event than V8SC. Damn site cheaper too.

Teflon Turbo · 21-09-2009, 08:51 AM

would love to see a v8 supercar done of nascar racing

Noddy · 21-09-2009, 09:01 AM

Do they still have that oval track in melbourne? It would be interesting to see the v8s do one round there one year, not sure if the v8sc could be setup to do an oval race though. Just as an exhibition.

Rev28K · 21-09-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noddy

Do they still have that oval track in melbourne? It would be interesting to see the v8s do one round there one year, not sure if the v8sc could be setup to do an oval race though. Just as an exhibition.

Yes the Thunderdome is still standing, just.

I went around it 7 years ago and it was rough with weeds growing through it and the surface falling in to disrepear. I imagine that it has deteriated further since then.

It was awesome when they ran combined circuits with the long track and the Thunderdome joined as one. I used to fang it on the circuit (that I knew) and crawl around the ‘dome. Turn 3 (shudder)

Scott · 21-09-2009, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noddy

Do they still have that oval track in melbourne? It would be interesting to see the v8s do one round there one year, not sure if the v8sc could be setup to do an oval race though. Just as an exhibition.

As far as I know it's still there and hosts drive days etc, not sure about any racing on it though - something tells me from the amount of Auscars sitting in sheds or looking for alternate categories to race in that there isn't much happening.

I doubt V8SC will ever go there again, even on the road course, as Bob Jane and CAMS aren't the warmest of friends anymore.

Walt Kowalski · 21-09-2009, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noddy

Do they still have that oval track in melbourne?

It is still there.

I did some laps there last year.

Never saw any weeds.

Mind you I was high up/flat out in a Nissan Patrol 4.8l (tow car) in the damp.

We took the car trailer off first though.

We left after 4 laps in case security came over

It felt a lot safer than the Calder main track which is diabolical for grip

KPOJ · 21-09-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

It is still there.

I did some laps there last year.

Never saw any weeds.

Mind you I was high up/flat out in a Nissan Patrol 4.8l (tow car) in the damp.

We took the car trailer off first though.

We left after 4 laps in case security came over

It felt a lot safer than the Calder main track which is diabolical for grip

hahaha i got 8 laps in a navara.The banking is amazing. In America its refereed to as a average banked track

:

GTP owner · 21-09-2009, 09:01 AM

Nascar would be quicker - more hp (900 vs 650), but more weight1511kgvs v8sc weight 1350kg, bigger tyres (14 inch rear, 11 inch front vs 11 inches all round for a v8sc).

4Vman · 21-09-2009, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedjay

just watching Nascar on fox..
man those things rev hard.

what would be quicker V8 sc or a Nascar??

also they look as though they all have the same body!!

:

Very hard to compare because both race in different forms of motorsport on different types of tracks... a NASCAR would be quicker on a banked circuit, a V8SC would be quicker on a traditional circuit..
Nascar engines are larger in capacity and make allot more power too.

nugget378 · 21-09-2009, 09:44 AM

My money would be on nascar, the carb is still king

:

burnz · 21-09-2009, 09:51 AM

5.7 methanol powerd 9200 rpm 320kph space frame with pannels.
versus
5.0 ethanol powerd 7500 rpm 290kph lightend body with rollcage.

4Vman · 21-09-2009, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnz

5.7 methanol powerd 9200 rpm 320kph space frame with pannels.
versus
5.0 ethanol powerd 7500 rpm 290kph lightend body with rollcage.

Methanol?? im pretty sure Nascar use e85 (or equivalent) now.

burnz · 21-09-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Methanol?? im pretty sure Nascar use e85 (or equivalent) now.

your right http://nascar.about.com/od/cars/a/unleaded08.htm
year ago they considerd petrol too dangerous.

Mr Hardware · 21-09-2009, 10:10 AM

Quote:

year ago they considerd petrol too dangerous.

Makes sense. Should be using LPG!

**DJM83** · 21-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Makes sense. Should be using LPG!

Dont start the LPG crap in here

LeadFoot81 · 21-09-2009, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Makes sense. Should be using LPG!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJM83

Dont start the LPG crap in here

ditto

I'd like to see a V8 round held in the states, piggy backed onto a nascar round (road race) as a support category maybe? Then they could have an exhibition race nascar vs supercar.

Walt Kowalski · 21-09-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

ditto

I'd like to see a V8 round held in the states, piggy backed onto a nascar round (road race) as a support category maybe? Then they could have an exhibition race nascar vs supercar.

What an awesome idea

opto · 21-09-2009, 10:11 AM

Australian V8 Touring car should come back as production car racing not V8 supercar, which is similar to Nascar.

**ebxr8240** · 21-09-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opto

Australian V8 Touring car should come back as production car racing not V8 supercar, which is similar to Nascar.

Yea although I agree..
They always want to restrict one brand though...
Another brand would bring out a Bathurst model around July...
By the time it was bought back to be competitive..
The following year it would bring out another model...

Zedjay · 21-09-2009, 11:10 AM

bring back group C or even group A.

then we will get some serious factory spec road Warriors lol

Rev28K · 21-09-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedjay

bring back group C or even group A.

then we will get some serious factory spec road Warriors lol

And car companies will either go broke making them (like Nissan did) or the really rich companies (Toyota) will be able to do it while the poorer companies wont.

Remember when Group C was virtually Formula A9X and the competitors/organisers were bending over backwards to get Murray Carter to enter? Even though Ford Australia didn’t want to.

Remember when Gruppe A was virtually Formula Sierra? Then Fred Gibson’s GTR’s came out with a mega budget and unlimited boost? None of the other manufacturers had a ready answer to the GTR at the time.

I don’t know what the answer is to make the series move forward (remember the Mazda RX7 SP, the BMW M3R and the Porsche 911 RS CS (drooool) for the production car racing Bathurst 24 hr? The manufacturers went nuts and lost money on making/importing a minimum of 10 cars. BMW thought that they couldn’t win, so didn’t officially enter it in to the event). I can still remember all of the bitching and backstabbing that went on with CAMS trying to make Group C a level playing field (drum brakes on the Camaro, 13b in the RX7 (PP?), The sneaky very first HDT Commodores, underweight Falcons, etc).

outback_ute · 22-09-2009, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev28K

I don’t know what the answer is to make the series move forward (remember the Mazda RX7 SP, the BMW M3R and the Porsche 911 RS CS (drooool) for the production car racing Bathurst 24 hr? The manufacturers went nuts and lost money on making/importing a minimum of 10 cars. BMW thought that they couldn’t win, so didn’t officially enter it in to the event).

Slight corrections, it was a 12 Hr race (last one at Eastern Creek) and Porsche 968 CS. The BMW M3R was Australia-only, I think it was built by Frank Gardner & BMW Australia - they obviously had a fair involvement.

Rusty Wallace said at the Goodwood Festival of Speed that Nascar engines could make 1000hp unrestricted, which is what he had in his car - he had a serious go to get the fastest time of the day but couldn't match a few F1 cars, Jag XJR9 and even a Nissan Primera Super Touring car was faster.

Rev28K · 22-09-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outback_ute

Slight corrections, it was a 12 Hr race (last one at Eastern Creek) and Porsche 968 CS. The BMW M3R was Australia-only, I think it was built by Frank Gardner & BMW Australia - they obviously had a fair involvement.

Yeah? My not always reliable memory tells me that Porsche had a couple of goes against the RX7 first with the 4 cylinder 968 CS and then with the big gun 911 RS CS.
Mazda were ready to return with an RX7 SP II if need be, but that never got past the prototype stage.

I have seen a genuine M3R running around at Winton (NSW BMW club member) this one had a rear seat fitted to it.

I take some of that back about what I said about manufacturer’s bringing out the trick models just to suit particular race series. BMW brought out the CSL version and the Competition packs on the previous 6 cylinder M3 versions.

Does anyone else want to get back to the original topic or dig up arcane facts about dead history?

xbgs351 · 21-09-2009, 11:11 AM

Winton Long Course

V8 STOCK CARS
Andrew Miedecke
Chev Monte Carlo
October, 2001
1m31.2853s

V8 Supercars
Jason Bright
Commodore VX
August, 2002
1m23.1514s

xbgs351 · 21-09-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedjay

just watching Nascar on fox..
man those things rev hard.

what would be quicker V8 sc or a Nascar??

also they look as though they all have the same body!!

:

What do you mean by quicker? Top speed or lap times?