June V-Facts

RATT · 03-07-2008, 04:12 PM

Ford

Ford Courier 4X4 1
Ford Escape 203
Ford F250 4X2 3
Ford Fairlane 11
Ford Falcon 3,483
Ford Falcon Ute 1,262
Ford Fiesta 563
Ford Focus 1,377
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 35
Ford Mondeo 507
Ford Ranger 4X2 718
Ford Ranger 4X4 609
Ford Territory 1,231
Ford Transit 214
Ford Transit Bus 7
Ford Transit C/C 62
TOTAL 10,286 (Down 0.2%)

Holden

Holden Astra 1,469 %
Holden Astra Convertible 104
Holden Barina 963
Holden Caprice 156
Holden Captiva 938
Holden Combo 126
Holden Commodore 4,274
Holden Epica 37
Holden Monaro 1
Holden Rodeo 4X2 673
Holden Rodeo 4X4 1,135
Holden Statesman 208
Holden Utility 4X2 1,219
Holden Viva 665
TOTAL 11,965 (Down 16%)

Toyota

Toyota Aurion 2,552
Toyota Avensis 84
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 2,261
Toyota Coaster 50
Toyota Corolla 5,023
Toyota Hiace Bus 347
Toyota Hiace Van 924
Toyota Hilux 4X2 1,812
Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,718
Toyota Kluger 1,286
Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 757
Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 1,132
Toyota Prado 1,749
Toyota Prius 350
Toyota RAV4 1,435
Toyota Tarago 374
Toyota Yaris 2,770
TOTAL 25,624 (Up 4.4%)

kocho · 03-07-2008, 04:15 PM

WOW! 37 Epicas!

BAxtER · 03-07-2008, 04:21 PM

Ford Falcon 3,320 (in may)

3,483 this month..not a decent increase considering this time FG was on for the full month....and there must have been exceptional deals on remaining BFmk2's to complete the financial year.

kocho · 03-07-2008, 04:23 PM

'Mazda6 807'

Mazda won't be liking that for a brand new model. I wonder why it isn't selling that well?

DanielXR8 · 03-07-2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kocho

'Mazda6 807'

Mazda won't be liking that for a brand new model. I wonder why it isn't selling that well?

Well as someone who owns the previous generation I would list my reasons as:

-New Mazda 6 looks too much like a Toyota Aurion, which is not a complilment and is not as sporty looking as the first generation.
-No MPS Version.
-Luxury Sports 6 is missing center display that has been decontented by Mazda Australia.
-The car I have now is brilliant and I don't feel a need to rush out and upgrade.
-Series 2 will have more for the same or less money.

vztrt · 03-07-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Well as someone who owns the previous generation I would list my reasons as:

-New Mazda 6 looks too much like a Toyota Aurion, which is not a complilment and is not as sporty looking as the first generation.
-No MPS Version.
-Luxury Sports 6 is missing center display that has been decontented by Mazda Australia.
-The car I have now is brilliant and I don't feel a need to rush out and upgrade.
-Series 2 will have more for the same or less money.

Lack of an auto model.

Z456 · 04-07-2008, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Well as someone who owns the previous generation I would list my reasons as:

-New Mazda 6 looks too much like a Toyota Aurion, which is not a complilment and is not as sporty looking as the first generation.
-No MPS Version.
-Luxury Sports 6 is missing center display that has been decontented by Mazda Australia.
-The car I have now is brilliant and I don't feel a need to rush out and upgrade.
-Series 2 will have more for the same or less money.

Its probably a supply issue - as with the Mazda 2 (and Mazda 3 when first released). Sales depend upon how many units dealers can get a hold of.

Mazda 6 is a good car - should blitz the sales once a new shipment arrives...

RATT · 03-07-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAxtER

Ford Falcon 3,320 (in may)

3,483 this month..not a decent increase considering this time FG was on for the full month....and there must have been exceptional deals on remaining BFmk2's to complete the financial year.

Turbo engined cars are only now being delivered.

Ghiadude · 03-07-2008, 04:18 PM

catching up on 2nd place and i heard something on the news today about GMH going broke in USA..... toyota... god dammit!!

Wretched · 03-07-2008, 04:19 PM

Good to see Mondeo doing ok.
Falcon, hmmm i guess that's the best they can hope for.
Fiesta needs a lift.

I am astounded at the amount of Corollas sold. Those fleet sales must have kicked in before the EOFY!!

RATT · 03-07-2008, 04:21 PM

Honda

Honda Accord 868
Honda Accord Euro 602
Honda Civic 2,644
Honda CR-V 1,261
Honda Jazz 634
Honda Legend 6
Honda Odyssey 200
Honda S2000 2
TOTAL 6,217 (Up 8.1%)

Mazda

Mazda BT-50 4X2 465
Mazda BT-50 4X4 598
Mazda CX-7 333
Mazda CX-9 408
Mazda MX5 59
Mazda RX8 28
Mazda2 1,540
Mazda3 3,286
Mazda6 807
TOTAL 7,524 (Up 8.5%)

Mitsubishi

Mitsubishi 380 381
Mitsubishi Colt 520
Mitsubishi Colt Cabriolet 2
Mitsubishi Express 450
Mitsubishi Grandis 69
Mitsubishi Lancer 2,667
Mitsubishi Outlander 908
Mitsubishi Pajero 656
Mitsubishi Triton 4X2 1,393
Mitsubishi Triton 4X4 1,290
TOTAL 8,336 (Up 1.8%)

4Vman · 03-07-2008, 04:24 PM

Another good result in a nervous declining local market.. next months sales will give a clearer picture about FG..

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2008, 04:28 PM

Falcon needs to do at least 4,500 to pay it's way.

4Vman · 03-07-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Falcon needs to do at least 4,500 to pay it's way.

SAYS WHO??

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Vman

SAYS WHO??

Me !!

You do the Math.

They are doing about 370 cars per day in B/M's.

That's about 7,000 cars per month.

1,250 Territories,
1,250 Utes

That leaves 4,500 for Sedan and BFIII Wagon.

If they don't get the above that equals down days.

4Vman · 03-07-2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Me !!

Are you basing that on known internal P+L projections, personal gut feel, wild guess or just a wish??!!

RATT · 03-07-2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Me !!

You do the Math.

They are doing about 370 cars per day in B/M's.

That's about 7,000 cars per month.

1,250 Territories,
1,250 Utes

That leaves 4,500 for Sedan and BFIII Wagon.

If they don't get the above that equals down days.

Don't forget that 3000 Territories to South Africa and a similar number of Falcons to NZ would have to be factored in somehow as well.

vztrt · 03-07-2008, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Falcon needs to do at least 4,500 to pay it's way.

That sedan or sedan and ute combined??

vztrt · 03-07-2008, 04:27 PM

Ford Sold 5987 Aussie Built units in Oz
Holden Sold 5858 Aussie Built units in Oz
Toyota Sold 4813 Aussie Built units in Oz.

It's scary how much Holden's sales have dropped this time last month. As for exports with the way the doller is going its not where they will be making their money.

BLUEYBA · 03-07-2008, 04:33 PM

would supply problem have an effect on these figures for the Falcon?

Wretched · 03-07-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLUEYBA

would supply problem have an effect on these figures for the Falcon?

What supply problem?
Face it, the falcon will never or for the next few years sell as many cars as it did at the introduction of the BA and prior to AU.
Fuel costs are hurting people and the perception that bigger cars use more fuel will affect their purchasing.
Fleets are also moving away from Falcons and Commodores to smaller Corollas and even to Camry's.
There are now more cars out there to compete with the local stuff and a lot are better value. Ford need to sit up and realise the Falcon isn't what it used to be. They need to really get the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo to sell more.

BLUEYBA · 03-07-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wretched

What supply problem?
Face it, the falcon will never or for the next few years sell as many cars as it did at the introduction of the BA and prior to AU.
Fuel costs are hurting people and the perception that bigger cars use more fuel will affect their purchasing.
Fleets are also moving away from Falcons and Commodores to smaller Corollas and even to Camry's.
There are now more cars out there to compete with the local stuff and a lot are better value. Ford need to sit up and realise the Falcon isn't what it used to be. They need to really get the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo to sell more.

well alot of people on the forum have been saying that they ordered turbo's but they're delivery dates have blown out so this would affect when the car is actually sold.

Wretched · 03-07-2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLUEYBA

well alot of people on the forum have been saying that they ordered turbo's but they're delivery dates have blown out so this would affect when the car is actually sold.

I can't see the turbo cars making up a substantial amount of cars.
I'd say about 600 give or take a few a month at max?

4Vman · 03-07-2008, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLUEYBA

would supply problem have an effect on these figures for the Falcon?

Yes.. you couldnt take delivery of the whole range in june (no turbo's or FPV's).. like i said, july but more likely Aug figures will show a clearer picture of FG.

DanielXR8 · 03-07-2008, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLUEYBA

would supply problem have an effect on these figures for the Falcon?

It could be as the supply of new FG Falcons at my local dealer is so many, that it is difficult to get around them to the sales office.

snappy · 03-07-2008, 04:39 PM

I dare say holden felt the pince 16% drop quite Substancial.

vztrt · 03-07-2008, 04:56 PM

370 would be full production with no stoppage.

Look at about 330-340 per day (less on days with group meetings).

The plant rarely gets a full days production out, also with the amount of operators ford has asked the maufacturing engineers to use it's tough for them as well.

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2008, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vztrt

370 would be full production with no stoppage.

Look at about 330-340 per day (less on days with group meetings).

The plant rarely gets a full days production out, also with the amount of operators ford has asked the maufacturing engineers to use it's tough for them as well.

Good point.

In a soft market and poor to average sales, the scheduled output (full line rate production) would not be picked up. If the cars was selling up a storm the plant would pick up any lost production and pump out the 370.

I bet the budgets are based on the full programmed schedule with a small amount allowed for production volume loss. From memory the group meeting days are 'supposed' to be about 340 cars, the other days are supposed to be more.

I reckon they were hoping for some better initial FG sales (especially for EOFY - June).

prydey · 03-07-2008, 06:36 PM

gee some people are very hard to please.

the FG will never (not in the near future anyway) match the commodore for monthly sales.

at close to 3500 units for june i thought it was very impressive given the uncertainty surrounding the economy and the fact that its end of financial year time.

the fact is it's a very impressive car meaning all other manufacturers will have to pull their fingers out for their next models. once more of them start to hit the market place i think word of mouth will add to the sales as well. imagine a couple of neighbours, one into cars, the other not so. car man buys a fg. neighbour comes to have a look and a drive and is impressed. now imagine he is also in the market for a new car.

toyota surge ahead because they seem to have a much better reputation than ford and holden. it will take a while for the message to come accross that the new fg is quite good on the juice. in the meantime they just have to try to weather the storm and i feel they are doing a good job!

vztrt · 03-07-2008, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Good point.

In a soft market and poor to average sales, the scheduled output (full line rate production) would not be picked up. If the cars was selling up a storm the plant would pick up any lost production and pump out the 370.

I bet the budgets are based on the full programmed schedule with a small amount allowed for production volume loss. From memory the group meeting days are 'supposed' to be about 340 cars, the other days are supposed to be more.

I reckon they were hoping for some better initial FG sales (especially for EOFY - June).

The plant can pump up out 550 cars a day (this is what use to be schedualed in early 2006 but then it dropped twice to 370) done only once since the BA was released.

Hopefully they have worked out numbers well. Also with United fuel rolling out E85 fuel it might be market that Ford could target with the Duratec motor. But I'm not sure if the V6 has an E85 engine, I know the Focus in europe has this model.

But the other point of cras being exported to NZ and a small amounts to South Africa should be able to keep down days to a minimum.