Demo Kilometers....

[Sam_Boss260]

When would you NOT accept a car as a new car?

ie. what is the limit of km's that it has, that you would class it as a demo.

100km's?

50km's?

????

[JutroXR8]

Personally id say anything over 100km. why?

[Smoke Pursuit]

150 is usually the limit, after that they sell them as registered demos.

My territory had 103 on it when i test drove it.. Didnt worry me as i paid what most pay for a TS and got a Ghia...

[Sam_Boss260]

Yeah I thought so.

A mate at work is trying to buy a new Holden Captiva, and it has 138 kms on it. And his wife is telling him that she doesn't want a demo. Dealer says anything less than 200km is not a demo.

I agree, and 138 is nothing. Just wanted to see other people's thoughts on this.

And LST, seeing as you are in the industry mate, I knew that I'd get some real answers on here.

Thanks

[Elks]

I suppose the way I see it if 200km is going to ruin the car, perhaps you need to reconsider what your buying.

If it was a GT or something that I was not going to use much the maybe I'd care but otherwise no drama.

[gz1]

Dunno about the rest of you guys but I would not be happy with a "new" car that had 200 k's on it.
It's not the number of k's as 200 k is really nothing, it's that you don't know how those 200 k's were done. If they were done by someone testing the standing 400m on the car then that's one car I would not like to own.
Not having a history of how those first k's were put on the car is my main objection, and I would have to assume that if a so called new car had that many k's then they would not be kind and gentle driving. So much for running in.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by gz1

Dunno about the rest of you guys but I would not be happy with a "new" car that had 200 k's on it.
It's not the number of k's as 200 k is really nothing, it's that you don't know how those 200 k's were done. If they were done by someone testing the standing 400m on the car then that's one car I would not like to own.
Not having a history of how those first k's were put on the car is my main objection, and I would have to assume that if a so called new car had that many k's then they would not be kind and gentle driving. So much for running in.

Yes but in saying that even 10 kays of thrashing could be just as bad (i seen a brand new car today out on a test drive getting it nuts flogged off). At the end of the day unless your getting a substaintual discount i always rather take a new one from the holidng yard with less then 40 kms on it. You also have to remember that the factories do drive new cars occasionally to test quality levels. Ford Tests cars on a regular basis and puts a sticker on the window notifying the dealer that the car has been tested for so many kays.. I seen a brand new SR from Ford one day with 60 on the clock.. Once the dealer does the pre deliver drive your looking at 70 - 80, thats before any ones walked in and test driven it. Then you have accessories, which may mean another 40 - 50 kms depending on where the car has to go, especially utes with trays etc. The BA XR6 i bought back in 04 had 7 kms on it when i picked it up, i thought that was pretty good!

Someone raised a point that you can reset the ODO providing the car has done less then 100 kms... Armstrong Holden in Brisbane got shut down in 04 thru doing this, a bloke bought an S pack ute, went and test drove it, it had about 40 kays on it when he test drove it. When he went to pick it up it only had 2 kms on it.. Armstrongs lost their dealer licence over it even tho they were only trying to satisfy the customers wants with a new car, that is one with low low kms on the clock.

[pauljh74]

Most buyers definition of a "new" car is a car that has had a brief test around the factory's track for a quick shakedown, driven from the factory yard onto a truck, from the truck to the dealer yard and a brief check by the dealer. Any more than 50 kms would warrant a please explain and an expectation of a discount. I personally would not be happy paying full price for a new car to find out the dealer has taken a number of clients out for a few kms each. That car is secured by deposit and will be fully paid for by the buyer and is the buyer's property, so the dealer in most cases would not have permission (if they were to ask) to use someone's property for demo runs.

[Peter B - CV8]

Originally Posted by Sam_Boss260

Yeah I thought so.

A mate at work is trying to buy a new Holden Captiva, and it has 138 kms on it. And his wife is telling him that she doesn't want a demo. Dealer says anything less than 200km is not a demo.

I agree, and 138 is nothing. Just wanted to see other people's thoughts on this.

And LST, seeing as you are in the industry mate, I knew that I'd get some real answers on here.

Thanks

Sounds as though someone stuffed up .... Holden dealers are able to reset the speedo (via Tech 2) - provided a distance of 100 kilometres hasn't been exceeded.

[Dezza]

Originally Posted by gz1

Dunno about the rest of you guys but I would not be happy with a "new" car that had 200 k's on it.
It's not the number of k's as 200 k is really nothing, it's that you don't know how those 200 k's were done. If they were done by someone testing the standing 400m on the car then that's one car I would not like to own.
Not having a history of how those first k's were put on the car is my main objection, and I would have to assume that if a so called new car had that many k's then they would not be kind and gentle driving. So much for running in.

I'd be fine with it because to go from 260,000 kms to 200 kms would be a big improvement for me!

[Turboconvert]

i agree with what has been said on here. If I was buying a new car, anything less then 200kms is no big thing. considering the average private car travels 15 000 a yr, 200ks on a new car is nothing

[xr8 utey]

Originally Posted by Dezza!

I'd be fine with it because to go from 260,000 kms to 200 kms would be a big improvement for me!

dezza,have you not seen the movie "ferris bueller's day off"
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[cs123]

I agree with the wife. I wouldn't take a "new" car with that many KMs on it.
Demand another one, you're paying for a new one.

[MNM96]

They may not exceed 500k before a RWC must be produced on sale, and they are sold as Demo or used.

[Whoosha]

Most of the dealers except no more than 100ks max from the factory, from the factory to the trucks they normally have 30 to 50 ks.. maybe 10 to 20 Ks for the dealers to run around in and maybe another 20 or so for out sourced work . window tint, detail ext.. Demos as such are usually registered for the purpose of test driving and on the off chance a demo is not avallable as a last resort A trade plate would be used for a demo run ..

[SSVPom]

Mentone Subaru tried to sell me their 'demo' Liberty with 500kms on the clock, for around 400 bucks less than a spanking new one.

Naturally I bought a spanking new one...

[BA_Turbs]

Originally Posted by FairmontPom

Mentone Subaru tried to sell me their 'demo' Liberty with 500kms on the clock, for around 400 bucks less than a spanking new one.

Naturally I bought a spanking new one...

Your first 500kms were expensive!

[fudge1979]

was thinking the same thing with my ute, but neva asked the question.

I got mine with 52kms on the clock on the weekend

[ILLaViTaR]

We asked for a new one fresh from the factory.

Few week wait but it was worth it.

The ones on the yard that were "new" were filthy.

[buickman]

I would expect no more than 50 KMs for a new car have bought 2 new ones and both were under 50 Kms. But dealer and transporting damage can happen to new cars as well.

[Donny]

I think people here are confusing new stock and dealer demos.
New is just that, new car. These wont have more than 50 klms on the clock 99% of the time, and if there isnt a demo around and the salesperson considers the buyer as genuine, or a good prospect then he/she can get the trade plate and take a new stock vehicle for a test drive.

Dealer demos are cars specifically road registered for test driving and demonstration purposes, they do cop a bit of hard use more often than not, and the dealer should sell these for less than retail.

EG....For Ford, on a GT, after 1 month FPV gives a 3k rebate on dealer demos.

Mine had 140 on the clock when I picked it up 40 of those were by me the first time I test drove it. So if you take out delivery klms (approx 25), pre delivery inspection klms (2), roadworthy or test drive klms prior to sale (5) and detailing klms (1) etc etc. Thats another 33 give or take, so possibly 70 to 80klms were done under my control and under the new car klms etc, so maybe mine had 50klms max of test driving, maybe 4 or 5 wannabee pilots at the most.
I gave it a bit of curry, but certainly wasnt stupid in it. I am one of the minority though who respects other peoples property until it becomes mine and dont go silly in someone elses 75k car.

I bought it as a Demonstrator and got it for over 10k off retail. Mine had to have roadworthy done etc, and I am the log books first owner and I get all the FPV goodies still. For mine, being a GT-P, the salespeople wont just let anyone drive these, you do have to convince them you are a serious contender to buy.

A GT I wanted to buy but missed out on had 1500klms on it, was registered as a Dealer Demo etc, the mongrel didnt pass on all of the rebates though and sold it for 56k plus onroads, so someone got touched on that deal.

I would have no hesitation in buying a Demo car, the savings are well worth it if you get a decent dealer who passes them on, and if you get a car with less than a few hundred klms on it, I doubt there would be any permanant damage inflicted on the car anyway.

[Hunter]

My sister's new Corolla had like 15 km on the clock when she bought it... I would be kind of annoyed with anything more than 50 km to be honest.

[BAxtER]

up here in Brisbane on Kessles rd Mt Gravatt, was visiting a home furniture store and next to it is the toyota holding yard for new cars that go into oldmac toyota thats on logan rd. Anyways, brand new aurions and camrys were being taken off the truck, some still had that white tape on the hub caps and certain panels.
The guys driving them once off the truck were putting the cars in Neutral high revving it and slammed them into D, the slamming noise and screeching was unreal. Should have filmed it with my fone. But i wonder how many k's those cars have done...maybe 20-30 max. poor effort by them i say.

[a-total-tool]

Originally Posted by BAxtER

up here in Brisbane on Kessles rd Mt Gravatt, was visiting a home furniture store and next to it is the toyota holding yard for new cars that go into oldmac toyota thats on logan rd. Anyways, brand new aurions and camrys were being taken off the truck, some still had that white tape on the hub caps and certain panels.
The guys driving them once off the truck were putting the cars in Neutral high revving it and slammed them into D, the slamming noise and screeching was unreal. Should have filmed it with my fone. But i wonder how many k's those cars have done...maybe 20-30 max. poor effort by them i say.

I have seen the mechanics at Sinclair ford do the same thing (I used to live near their holding yard, and could see it from my bedroom window). One of the people in the service department took a customer's XR8 that was in for a service, and started doing 'circle work' in the back paddock (it has since had bitumen laid over it). I thought that this was low, thrashing a car that a cusotmer had entrusted to them. The same staff member was then dealing one of the brand new cars (I guess that a cusotmer was about to pick it up, as this is the only time that they would detail cars that are on the holding yard), and then he started doing circle work in that car. I phoned the manager of new cars, and I seen him approach the service shed. I have not seen this happen since.

Bottom line, no matter how many kms a new car has on it, it may not mean that the car has been treated well. I would rather have a car that has had 100ks on it and has been driven normally, rather than one that is showing 20kms and has been thrashed. Also, with odometers that have been would back I think that it would be better for it to show a genuine figure rather than one that has been would back. This way you know what the car has done, rather than having to guess at how far a car has gone and how it has been treated.

[gz1]

Originally Posted by bald_princess

Bottom line, no matter how many kms a new car has on it, it may not mean that the car has been treated well.

Too true. However the less k's on it the better chance it was not (too badly) mistreated.
Fully agree with the odo turned back. This really should not be possible and I did not think it was possible with the new electronic ones. Should at the very least be illegal.

[DanielXR8]

Sorry mispost

[GK]

The only brand new car I've bought was an 89 KE Laser. It came with 23 km's on the clock.

The only brand new motorbike I've bought was a 2001 Honda VFR800FI. It came with 0.4km's on the clock!

I wouldn't want more than 50 on the clock when I picked it up, but that's me.

GK

[ADSXR8]

Originally Posted by Sam_Boss260

When would you NOT accept a car as a new car?

ie. what is the limit of km's that it has, that you would class it as a demo.

100km's?

50km's?

????

I think it comes down to a couple things.

1/ If you pay full price for a car, IMO it must be brand new. To me that would be 10-15km.

2/ Alot of dealers would discount the car on the floor to move it, so you would know the car your taking delivery of and what you paid. But once sold, this car should be removed from the showroom floor.

In the past nine months I have taken posession of 3 new Aurions, all where delivered by the dealer and had between 10-15km on the clock. (dealer is around 5 km away). That to me is new!

[MNM96]

My purchasing experience is that My AUIII XR6 had 174 k's when I picked it up. I test drove it from 60, and nobody else drove it after my first drive.

From my dealership days, at Volvo and Proton dealership in Townsville, the Protons would come with anything from .3 to 8 klms. I would add about 20 during Pre Delivery. We used to aim to sell a new car with less than 30k, so picked and chose when someone wanted to drive one.
The Vulva's came with between 20 and 30, and Volvo made you register them at 50, so they never got to 50. The Sales Manager, the Workshop Manager (lucky me), an a Salesman (rotated between the 2 of them) got a registered Demo, but they were moved at 1500k.
Mike

[Nappa]

kms all depend on what car you buy, if you purchase a car that is on the floor or in the yard there's a chance that it may already have been on a few test drives. a fresh car out of the factory may have under 10kms on it. However some motor companies will select a random car at the factory to conduct some quality control testing.

I've delivered plenty of cars that have done over 100kms due to that car being used for about 4 test drives. In most cases the customer is getting a substantial discount to purchase a car that is in stock.

Also if the dealer you purchase from swaps in the car they dont know how many k's its done. when i picked up my car it had done 110kms, it didnt really bother me.