bashed to death for watering the front lawn

dave289 · 01-11-2007, 09:13 AM

i heard on the radio this morning that some 37 year old guy bashed a 66 year old guy to death for watering his front lawn.apparently the younger abused the older guy for watering his lawn outside watering hours.the old guy took offence and hosed the other guy .the old guy was punched to the ground and then kicked,he later died in hospital.my neighbour offen waters whenever he feels like it but i have not seen him attacked(yet).seems you have to be a bit more careful these days

XRchic · 01-11-2007, 09:16 AM

That is very dodgy. Let that be a warning to those of us who have had the little cheat here and there...

new2ford · 01-11-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

That is very dodgy. Let that be a warning to those of us who have had the little cheat here and there...

What sort of "warning" XRchic? (Apart from the fact that he was apparently watering legally) That your neighbours will mug you? The lynch mob? I thought it was the role of Water Board officers to deal with illegal watering just like its the role of Police to deal with poor road behaviour.

Someone said why is this on The Pub (car-related thread)? Well it doesn't seem too unrelated to the recent road-behaviours threads on "tailgating" and "the pinky". What happened to Australia the easygoing society? It seems to me a lot of us have become moralising aggressive prigs - very sad. The problem is not actually with the tailgater or the lawn-waterer but with those who feel the action is some sort of personal threat against them and need to deliver moral punishment personally. Time for a big national chill-out I think.

XRchic · 01-11-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

What sort of "warning" XRchic? (Apart from the fact that he was apparently watering legally) That your neighbours will mug you? The lynch mob? I thought it was the role of Water Board officers to deal with illegal watering just like its the role of Police to deal with poor road behaviour.

It was a smart remark at how easily you can cop it from someone for doing something trivial, relative to the response!

I was implying that I might want to be careful that some psycho doesnt come and bash me with a cricket bat if they see me "cheating" a little with my own watering.... hence that it is a scary thought that this can happen...

I think that it is very dodgy that someone could be attacked in any way for it. That was my point - apologies if anyone misunderstoon my post.

Oh, and I think we should be able to water our lawns during the drought at the times we are allowed to, because some of us have put a lot of work into our gardens, take pride in our homes and want to try and prevent our kids from having to play on dead, dusty, dried grass! As long as we water our gardens in accordance with the law, then it should be ok.

I think it would be ridiculous to say to ban all garden watering, unless it was at the point where it was required. There are degrees of dought. This drought is bad, and getting worse and I will stop watering altogether when told to, but I hope we can avoid that. But I am looking at alternatives to lawn in the even that happens, such as my fake lawn thread in the Bar.

I dont think people should be blamed for being concerned about their gardens during the drought either. And the guy was not breaking the law anyway - which is almost not the point, given that it does not change the fact he is dead. He should not have been attacked, breaking the law or not.

I hope water restrictions are not going to cause dramas in communities in the future, as I suspect the conditions will get worse before they get better.

Keepleft · 01-11-2007, 09:17 AM

The older bloke belongs (belonged) to a 'mind your own business' generation. So long as you do nothing 'too' evil.

At the end of the day, we pay our *own* water rates, and fines.

Meh....

||| · 01-11-2007, 09:20 AM

every drop counts

Keepleft · 01-11-2007, 09:25 AM

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A 36-year-old man has been charged with murder, after allegedly killing a man during a fight over water restrictions, in Sydney's south yesterday.

The 66-year-old was watering the front lawn of his house at Sylvania around 5:00pm AEDT yesterday, one of the two days a week when hand-held hosing of lawns and gardens is allowed.

Dear oh dear, another immature 36yo do-gooder.

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Police say a man walking past the house made a comment about water usage and water restrictions, and was subsequently sprayed with the hose.

Immature 36yo, - meet Mr Cantankerous 'mind your own bloody business' 66yo.

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Police allege the younger man then punched and pushed the older man to the ground, as well as kicking him.

It was his upbringing, he had a sad deprived childhood poor fella, its not really his fault....

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An off-duty officer in the area at the time called police, and detained the 36-year-old, who was then taken to Miranda Police Station and questioned.

The older man was treated by ambulance officers at the scene, and taken to St George Hospital in a critical condition, but died soon after.

Hopeless, really.

bob 351 · 01-11-2007, 03:10 PM

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every drop counts

what for a life you are kidding arnt you

apolloxbgt · 01-11-2007, 09:23 AM

Not too good.

I would have thought this belongs in the bar,nothing at all to do with cars.

gozza · 01-11-2007, 09:28 AM

It should be the other way round - I have a rainwater tank with a pump - The tap fitting looks like a normal tap - Even tho i have a big "Rainwater in use" Sign i get people telling me i shouldn't be washing my car - etc etc -
People need to mind there own business - Theres an old lady next door to me who waters after 4 Everyday - I guess some days aren't appropriate but its not up to me to hassle her

**Full Noise** · 01-11-2007, 09:37 AM

Two equally stupid people, and look at the outcome.

dave289 · 01-11-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Two equally stupid people, and look at the outcome.

as they say two wrongs dont make a right.

TEaaron · 02-11-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dave289

as they say two wrongs dont make a right.

Yes it does double negitives = a positive.

Duhhhhhhhhhhhh

ford_gal_86 · 01-11-2007, 09:43 AM

^^ agree

I know every drop counts, but being bashed and so bad that he died is horrible!

F6T · 01-11-2007, 09:51 AM

Yeah, every drop counts.... but I read that the old guy was actually watering within the limits imposed by the stage 3 limitations. between 4pm and 10am wednesdays and sundays with hand held hose.

Very sad outcome...I would hate to think how sick to the stomach that young fella would be feeling today knowing that.

3vXT · 01-11-2007, 09:49 AM

I think the younger guy did the right thing mentioning the water restrictions. Some people believe they can do whatever they want without thinking about how it effects everyone else. To be fair, its not just the 'older people' though from what i've seen a lot are often pretty stubborn.
In saying that though, there should have been a point for both of them when they should have let it go and backed off, nobody deserves to die for watering their lawn.

**Full Noise** · 01-11-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

I think the younger guy did the right thing mentioning the water restrictions. Some people believe they can do whatever they want without thinking about how it effects everyone else. To be fair, its not just the 'older people' though from what i've seen a lot are often pretty stubborn.
In saying that though, there should have been a point for both of them when they should have let it go and backed off, nobody deserves to die for watering their lawn.

The problem here is that some people get their ego confused with their abilities. This 66 year old man might have been a tough bloke 25 years ago. Calm words could have resolved this issue.

At the end of the day, some stubborn old man was watering his garden and wanted to be a hero with some knucklehead that has anger management issues and no brains. I bet that if this stupid old man just turned off the tap and went inside for a few minutes, he’d most likely be alive today.

ExAreSix · 01-11-2007, 03:44 PM

WTF? Are you for real?

And to think you and I actually live on the same planet. It's scary...

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

The problem here is that some people get their ego confused with their abilities. This 66 year old man might have been a tough bloke 25 years ago. Calm words could have resolved this issue.

At the end of the day, some stubborn old man was watering his garden and wanted to be a hero with some knucklehead that has anger management issues and no brains. I bet that if this stupid old man just turned off the tap and went inside for a few minutes, he’d most likely be alive today.

**Full Noise** · 01-11-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ExAreSix

WTF? Are you for real?

And to think you and I actually live on the same planet. It's scary...

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What I find even more concerning is the we have a government that allows clowns like you to handle firearms. So, what ego trip are you on?

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RIPGMH · 04-11-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

The problem here is that some people get their ego confused with their abilities. This 66 year old man might have been a tough bloke 25 years ago. Calm words could have resolved this issue.

At the end of the day, some stubborn old man was watering his garden and wanted to be a hero with some knucklehead that has anger management issues and no brains. I bet that if this stupid old man just turned off the tap and went inside for a few minutes, he’d most likely be alive today.

I can't believe some of the shite coming from you people. He was an old man for that alone should afford some respect, secondly his dead. I bet you wouldn't run your mouth off like that in public.

Van D · 04-11-2007, 08:59 PM

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I can't believe some of the shite coming from you people. He was an old man for that alone should afford some respect, secondly his dead. I bet you wouldn't run your mouth off like that in public.

Gotta agree here. Unless they're really messed up individuals, I always think the elderly deserve some respect. Sure some are sour, but i'm also sure they have their reasons. They would have done things a lot tougher than most these days, and they don't get shown any respect for it.

From my point of view. Old man was in his right to mow the lawn, younger guy was too egotistical (if he cared so much about saving water i'm sure he'd have known it was a day he was allowed to use the hose), and i'm sure the old man wouldn't have sat there spraying the guy constantly with water.

Over-reaction from a tool IMO. Even if someone sprayed you with WATER and they were in the wrong, there's no reason to go punch them to the ground and kick them whilst their down, especially when they're a senior and you know they'd have no chance fighting back.

Ryan · 11-11-2007, 06:26 PM

What a low life piece of crap.

I understand he would've been infuriated by being sprayed with the hose, but that's still no reason the bash and lay the boots into the old bloke, eventually killing him.

Maybe he should've shut his mouth, and minded his own buisiness in the first place anyway.

Keepleft · 01-11-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

I think the younger guy did the right thing mentioning the water restrictions. Some people believe they can do whatever they want without thinking about how it effects everyone else.

Young Australians in particular need to mind their own bloody business. It was none of his beezwax.

It seems many have virtually no respect, class or manner - a result of social de-engineering in schools.

Sourbastard · 01-11-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Young Australians in particular need to mind their own bloody business. It was none of his beezwax.

It seems many have virtually no respect, class or manner - a result of social de-engineering in schools.

Yes because noone old is interfering or meddling in anyone elses business........

Dave_au · 01-11-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

I think the younger guy did the right thing mentioning the water restrictions. Some people believe they can do whatever they want without thinking about how it effects everyone else. To be fair, its not just the 'older people' though from what i've seen a lot are often pretty stubborn.
In saying that though, there should have been a point for both of them when they should have let it go and backed off, nobody deserves to die for watering their lawn.

Actually Sydney Water has confirmed that if the times mentioned in the police report were accurate, then the man watering the lawn was actually watering it legally - before 10am or after 4pm Sundays and Wednesday.

3vXT · 01-11-2007, 10:29 AM

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Actually Sydney Water has confirmed that if the times mentioned in the police report were accurate, then the man watering the lawn was actually watering it legally - before 10am or after 4pm Sundays and Wednesday.

Well nobody mentioned that until after my post. It doesn't make much difference, they should have been able to sort it out without anyone getting hurt. FFS its just some water and grass.

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Young Australians in particular need to mind their own bloody business. It was none of his beezwax.

It seems many have virtually no respect, class or manner - a result of social de-engineering in schools.

Not trying to sound like an environmental crusader but water restrictions are everyones business aren't they? Fair enough the old guy may not have been doing anything wrong, but it still could have been sorted out without going in the direction it did.

GT0132 · 01-11-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

I think the younger guy did the right thing mentioning the water restrictions. Some people believe they can do whatever they want without thinking about how it effects everyone else. To be fair, its not just the 'older people' though from what i've seen a lot are often pretty stubborn.
In saying that though, there should have been a point for both of them when they should have let it go and backed off, nobody deserves to die for watering their lawn.

The 66 yo guy was not breaking the law, he was actually allowed to hose his lawn at that time of the day on a Wednesday..The ridiculous thing is why should people be allowed to water their lawn at all during a drought ???

3vXT · 01-11-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmale42

The 66 yo guy was not breaking the law, he was actually allowed to hose his lawn at that time of the day on a Wednesday..The ridiculous thing is why should people be allowed to water their lawn at all during a drought ???

As i said before, that wasn't mentioned until after my post.

For the record i think the younger guy should go to jail for a very long time but I just don't think its 100% his fault. If both of them had acted like adults the old guy would be alive and the young guy wouldn't be on his way to jail (or wherever)

atec77 · 01-11-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmale42

The 66 yo guy was not breaking the law, he was actually allowed to hose his lawn at that time of the day on a Wednesday..The ridiculous thing is why should people be allowed to water their lawn at all during a drought ???

He commited common assault by watering the younger man , the end does not justify the means .

||| · 01-11-2007, 10:10 AM

shame to die over this lawn. they even parked cars on it