Gt Ho 428???

davidclough · 24-10-2007, 07:49 AM

ok here is an interesting tit bit (well i think so) did you know that Ford brought out one only GT HO with a 428 cobra motor, they had planned to sell it following the 351, it was Black but sadly the Government at the time squashed it and would not let it happen. My dad told me this last night he saw the car in the flesh when it was new. I wonder if it is still about somewhere in its original state, how much would that be worth. :eclipsee_

satria · 24-10-2007, 07:51 AM

you might be thinking of bill bourkes xw maybe?

4Vman · 24-10-2007, 08:03 AM

Oh dear.....

davidclough · 24-10-2007, 08:18 AM

yeah that could be the one i am not sure but wouldnt that be a find!!!

4Vman · 24-10-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fpvgtpyaloveit

yeah that could be the one i am not sure but wouldnt that be a find!!!

The car you're refering to is a black 1969 auto/T code 351 Windsor XWGT that was sent to the states and fitted with a 428/C6, sunroof, shaker, big seats etc for Bill Bourke. It wasnt a GTHO, it was a styling exercise/present for Bourke.
It alive and well in Sydney.

||| · 24-10-2007, 08:54 AM

thats a shame it never got the go ahead. a 428 powered phase 4 would have thrashed the xu2s

4Vman · 24-10-2007, 08:59 AM

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thats a shame it never got the go ahead. a 428 powered phase 4 would have thrashed the xu2s

It would have been too front heavy for circuit racing, and although maybe faster in a straight line lap times would be slower due to the handling issues...

Squalo · 24-10-2007, 09:43 AM

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thats a shame it never got the go ahead. a 428 powered phase 4 would have thrashed the xu2s

The 351 Phase 4 would have thrashed the XU2 - the 428 was redundant by that stage unless you wanted your F-million truck to really shift. I doubt whether there was ever any serious consideration for going into production with them seeing as the Cleveland was about to be introduced to Falcon - as stated, it was a one-off built just because they could.

Anyway, that's my one and only contribution to the zillion or so Bill Bourke 428 topics here

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10secondET · 24-10-2007, 09:51 AM

what about the lime green xy gt with a 460 it was a one off and was burried smack bang in the middle of the proving grounds back in the 70s in a container rappted in plastic and covered in oil it was doug up 2 or 3 years ago and was totaly rotted

||| · 24-10-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 10secondET

what about the lime green xy gt with a 460 it was a one off and was burried smack bang in the middle of the proving grounds back in the 70s in a container rappted in plastic and covered in oil it was doug up 2 or 3 years ago and was totaly rotted

that sounds pretty cool. ford should restore it if thay can. that would be the ultimate HO

metalmania · 24-10-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 10secondET

what about the lime green xy gt with a 460 it was a one off and was burried smack bang in the middle of the proving grounds back in the 70s in a container rappted in plastic and covered in oil it was doug up 2 or 3 years ago and was totaly rotted

Never heard of this one before.

4Vman · 24-10-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by metalmania

Never heard of this one before.

I doubt anyone has.. including Ford!

RedHotGT · 21-10-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10secondET

what about the lime green xy gt with a 460 it was a one off and was burried smack bang in the middle of the proving grounds back in the 70s in a container rappted in plastic and covered in oil it was doug up 2 or 3 years ago and was totaly rotted

Another big thread mine from Loftie...

So - did any proof or photos ever come of this 'illeged' discovery????

burnz · 28-10-2007, 04:05 PM

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thats a shame it never got the go ahead. a 428 powered phase 4 would have thrashed the xu2s

a 428 HO verses a 308 LC torrie
well in cercuit racing you must turn left eventualy,
so when you open the drivers door and stick your foot out
it depends on how much tread you dunlop volley's have.

nugget378 · 28-10-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

a 428 HO verses a 308 LC torrie
well in cercuit racing you must turn left eventualy,
so when you open the drivers door and stick your foot out
it depends on how much tread you dunlop volley's have.

Have you ever driven a 308 equipped LC or LJ?
A good friend of mine has one,and turning of any sort is certainly not its strong suit,in fact they are generally thought of as a drag only car,they handle that bad..
Dont assume that it would handle any better than a BB equpped falcon,one of which I have also driven...

burnz · 28-10-2007, 04:18 PM

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Have you ever driven a 308 equipped LC or LJ?
A good friend of mine has one,and turning of any sort is certainly not its strong suit,in fact they are generally thought of as a drag only car,they handle that bad..
Dont assume that it would handle any better than a BB equpped falcon,one of which I have also driven...

100% agree please reread my first post.
handeling isnt the main problem (manhandle)
the brakes is what i'm refering to. on both car's

sleekism · 13-03-2008, 07:56 AM

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thats a shame it never got the go ahead. a 428 powered phase 4 would have thrashed the xu2s

From what I remember reading Ford was trialling XA Falcons with FE family big blocks and the result was they understeered like pigs especially in the wet where you would turn the steering wheel and the car would keep going straight.

Big-blocks have never been good track cars wunless of course you call NASCAR circuit race.

Even Chrysler which had the mighty 426 Hemi used the LA family 340ci small block for circuit racing (Trans am) and from what I have heard the Chrysler 340ci was quite a weapon.

**Charliewool** · 13-03-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

From what I remember reading Ford was trialling XA Falcons with FE family big blocks and the result was they understeered like pigs especially in the wet where you would turn the steering wheel and the car would keep going straight.

Big-blocks have never been good track cars wunless of course you call NASCAR circuit race.

Even Chrysler which had the mighty 426 Hemi used the LA family 340ci small block for circuit racing (Trans am) and from what I have heard the Chrysler 340ci was quite a weapon.

Apart from maybe a tunnel-port 427, I wouldn't entertain a FE block in any Aust bodied car. Just a glorified 1959 (332) boat-anchor.
I would also suggest a 351 (HO) Cleveland would have more factory ponies than a 428CJ, or even a 428SCJ?
(Flame away)

4Vman · 13-03-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

Apart from maybe a tunnel-port 427, I wouldn't entertain a FE block in any Aust bodied car. Just a glorified 1959 (332) boat-anchor.
I would also suggest a 351 (HO) Cleveland would have more factory ponies than a 428CJ, or even a 428SCJ?
(Flame away)

This is exactly why big blocks didnt find their way into our HO's and GT's, because the balance of the car was upset to the point where lap times were slower despite the extra torque.
Having driven a HO and 428 GT500 mustang back to back the HO's 351 had better throttle response than the 428, and it liked to rev more too, the only advantage the 428 had was torque and the ability to use a higher gear, but on a track the HO would have eaten it alive.
For the same reason Moffats Boss 302 mustang lapped quicker with the Boss 302 engine than it did with the 351 Cleveland, despite being 50HP down compared to the clevo.

wicksy · 24-10-2007, 09:05 AM

still woulda been a weapon though, it looked very nice too, i would love to have a drive in that, or just hear it *drools*

XCSEDAN · 24-10-2007, 10:07 AM

there's already a thread on this car.
heres some pics and a story to go along with it

hopefully they are in order?

xe351 · 24-10-2007, 11:35 AM

i wonder what car tom gormon drives? he should look at this

Squalo · 24-10-2007, 12:04 PM

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i wonder what car tom gormon drives? he should look at this

Probably an Audi. I'd hazard a guess that MDs and CEOs these days are pretty far removed from the likes of Bill Burke when it comes to their wheels...

xe351 · 24-10-2007, 02:51 PM

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Probably an Audi. I'd hazard a guess that MDs and CEOs these days are pretty far removed from the likes of Bill Burke when it comes to their wheels...

your probably right, maybe thats the problem?

steevo d · 24-10-2007, 10:26 PM

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Probably an Audi. I'd hazard a guess that MDs and CEOs these days are pretty far removed from the likes of Bill Burke when it comes to their wheels...

yes i do believe that is a big part of the problem-
the lack of passion from the people who count....
i wonder how many of the upper ford hierarchy would
do a track day with a current model ford just because they could.

if i was in those shoes you would be levering my behind out of the drivers seat only when the fuel ran out!!

T3ts50 · 25-10-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by steevo d

yes i do believe that is a big part of the problem-
the lack of passion from the people who count....
i wonder how many of the upper ford hierarchy would
do a track day with a current model ford just because they could.

if i was in those shoes you would be levering my behind out of the drivers seat only when the fuel ran out!!

In the US Ford execs were all driving Jags. Even though they are part of the Ford family, how many people actually know they are owned by Ford.

xe351 · 25-10-2007, 12:33 PM

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In the US Ford execs were all driving Jags. Even though they are part of the Ford family, how many people actually know they are owned by Ford.

another reason Ford US isn't going so well - how can they expect people to buy what they won't drive?

**Polyal** · 25-10-2007, 01:15 PM

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In the US Ford execs were all driving Jags. Even though they are part of the Ford family, how many people actually know they are owned by Ford.

Dont know where you heard that; would have thought Linlcons would be more appropiate.

What is/was true in the US is a push to have a certain percentage of the employee car park filled with ford.

Smoke Pursuit · 25-10-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xe351

i wonder what car tom gormon drives? he should look at this

Gormans driving a BFII GTP at the moment im told..

xe351 · 25-10-2007, 01:51 PM

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Gormans driving a BFII GTP at the moment im told..

excellent! i hope its correct