USA Riots

[Franco Cozzo]

The USA loves a good riot it seems, while I understand there are long standing issues going back centuries in the USA's history I believe that trashing the country probably isn't the best way to win supporters for your cause.

My opinion is that this is a cultural problem with law enforcement in the USA rather than blanket statements of 'racism'.

What are your thoughts?

Might be some good opportunities for anyone in the construction industries after this is all over

[buggerlugs]

The cop has been moved to the "Big House"................
Could be a chance meeting with "Bubba" shortly.............

[Charliewool]

Covid19 mayhem, China and Uncle Sam in each other’s crosshairs (leading to God knows what?) and now total anarchy all over the place!!
Wouldn’t be a nice climate to be living in presently.
Could the empire be crumbling?

[Citroënbender]

It’s just their way of letting off steam. Aussies got to play cubbyhouses for a couple of months, our stress dissipation methods are less hazardous...

[danzvtil]

And having a grown toddler at the helm with a twitter account inflaming the situation won’t end well....

[swanee]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

And having a grown toddler at the helm with a twitter account inflaming the situation won’t end well....

He has turned the United States into a reality TV show.

Fake news this, lamestream media that, everyone else is to blame except him, takes no responsibility or accountability

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by swanee

He has turned the United States into a reality TV show.

Fake news this, lamestream media that, everyone else is to blame except him, takes no responsibility or accountability

And when the boss is acting like that and has his moral set then you stand no chance.

He could have really been a breathe of fresh air, but his made it a circus, but thats what he knows. Its sad but they voted him in....

[Peter B - CV8]

The US police (and ours too) seem to have adopted an arrest procedure whereby the detainee must be laying face down & immobilised with various pressure holds ie knee in the back, arm wrench etc etc. Officer safety should always be paramount but, if you have a compliant offender (or alleged offender), is this level of restraint really necessary ?

[Ben73]

It's pretty weird how the cop and the guy he killed both worked at the same club as security.

[DJR-351]

Starts at the 32min mark....

Trump Says He'll Deploy Military Unless States Halt Violent Protests in Rose Garden Speech

[Rallye Sport]

I don't condone but can totally understand the slam them to the ground and hold them approach. This society is armed, armed to the teeth with military grade weapons, with no fear of flouting or using them. The cops need to get in and out as efficiently as possible, give the offender a chance and they could well reach for a weapon if not secured.

Then you've got the onlookers, copwatchers filming on phones, friends, family and others swarming the scene interjecting and interfering. For all the cop knows one of them are prepared to use a weapon. Just look at the protesters, aiming direct violence at the authorities they've no respect for the police why should they show it back?


They'd be on edge all shift every shift, sooner or later a mistake or over reaction is going to happen. It's a sad society that they live in, be glad to live where we do.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

I don't condone but can totally understand the slam them to the ground and hold them approach. This society is armed, armed to the teeth with military grade weapons, with no fear of flouting or using them. The cops need to get in and out as efficiently as possible, give the offender a chance and they could well reach for a weapon if not secured.

Then you've got the onlookers, copwatchers filming on phones, friends, family and others swarming the scene interjecting and interfering. For all the cop knows one of them are prepared to use a weapon. Just look at the protesters, aiming direct violence at the authorities they've no respect for the police why should they show it back?


They'd be on edge all shift every shift, sooner or later a mistake or over reaction is going to happen. It's a sad society that they live in, be glad to live where we do.

8 minutes kneeling on the blokes neck would’ve ensured he didn’t get his “military grade” AK47 outta his pocket, one would think?

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

8 minutes kneeling on the blokes neck would’ve ensured he didn’t get his “military grade” AK47 outta his pocket, one would think?

As I said I don't condone it, but what are they going to do, ask him politely if he'll be a good boy and wait patiently for the divvy van?

[roKWiz]

Funny how we had a guy shot dead by cops on a Melbourne freeway last week. He had a small knife and these 4 cops couldn't take control of the situation by wrestling him to the ground or shooting him in the legs but no one is outraged here.

US wise, What happened doesn't excuse looting and burning down buildings.
I feel sorry for the Covid effected, small business owners who have now had shops destroyed.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

As I said I don't condone it, but what are they going to do, ask him politely if he'll be a good boy and wait patiently for the divvy van?

Any cop will tell you their not trained to restrain someone by the neck especially for extended periods. There were at least 4 cops on the scene, if they couldn't hold him down by the back or something they need to be retrained.

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Funny how we had a guy shot dead by cops on a Melbourne freeway last week. He had a small knife and these 4 cops couldn't take control of the situation by wrestling him to the ground or shooting him in the legs but no one is outraged here.

Shoot him the leg? Seriously? Real life isn't an action movie. In the heat of the moment would you shoot someone in the largest part of their body to almost certainly stop yourself being stabbed or aim for one of the smallest parts of the body and possibly still get stabbed?
If these Melbourne cops shot him in the back while he was complying that would be a different story.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Ben73

It's pretty weird how the cop and the guy he killed both worked at the same club as security.

At the same time? So, they must have known each other?

I can't fathom what that family is going through. He had a kid? Imagine growing up knowing that's how dad died?

Camera's on him, several male officers around, guy saying he is suffocating, held down for almost 10 minutes in that position, lifeless for 3 minutes of that.

What the hell were they thinking?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

At the same time? So, they must have known each other?

I can't fathom what that family is going through. He had a kid? Imagine growing up knowing that's how dad died?

Camera's on him, several male officers around, guy saying he is suffocating, held down for almost 10 minutes in that position, lifeless for 3 minutes of that.

What the hell were they thinking?

Worked opposite shifts at the same nightclub apparently, didn’t specifically know each other but would have known of each other before.

What I can’t understand is the actions taken by the ambulance crew, got out, no equipment, no checks, no attempted revival, hell even the way they rolled him into the board isn’t even at the level you would expect at a local sports club.

I fully support those who wish to protest this or any other issue and hope the message isn’t lost thanks to the Antifa plants stirring up conflict.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Worked opposite shifts at the same nightclub apparently, didn’t specifically know each other but would have known of each other before.

What I can’t understand is the actions taken by the ambulance crew, got out, no equipment, no checks, no attempted revival, hell even the way they rolled him into the board isn’t even at the level you would expect at a local sports club.

I fully support those who wish to protest this or any other issue and hope the message isn’t lost thanks to the Antifa plants stirring up conflict.

I'm trying to distance myself from negative news and didn't watch any clips of the incident and only know what I know from news reports and the internet headlines.

If that's the case my goodness what the hell is wrong with people?

I sometimes wonder how people can be so far gone that they lose their sence of humanity along the way?

YouTube is loaded with clips from the 'States of power tripping authority figures over reacting in the name of national security / personal safety / the good of the people.

TSA searches that make people wait so long so they miss their plane, over use of police powers, purposeful manipulation of situations to then justify an overreaction, excessive use of force.

Didn't any of the watching cops think to themselves to tap the guy on the shoulder and say 'mate, I think you've done enough, lets sit him up and end this with dignity for all'.

I can't fathom the hatred and anger in a person that will pin a man down by the neck like a rabid animal till they are well and truly dead.

Nor the inaction of the onlookers that had the power to stop the madness.

Not the first, won't be the last.

[LG17]

Protesting an injustice is one thing; riots and lawlessness are an entirely different matter.
I don't know if it's possible for their National Guard to separate them.
The POTUS hasn't helped at all with his responses but to be honest, I would have been shocked if he did.
It was very brave of him walking outside surrounded by the Secret Service, Police, National Guard, helicopters and armoured vehicles...

[Polyal]

Can you imagine enraged bogans in Australia if they had the legal ability to arm themselves, that puts it into context for me. Its just crazy and I dont care what your culture or history is as a society you are meant to evolve for the better...good luck to them.

[CoupeKing]

Heaps will get locked up for this. How does one vote in a Federal Election from a Federal Prison.

[simon varley]

I'm white. The vast majority of my friends are white. I live in a very white neigbourhood. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like for blacks, asians and hispanics to be in fear everytime they leave the house. whether it is institutionalised, or casual it must be horrible. I can't condone the looting, but I can totally understand the anger

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by simon varley

I'm white. The vast majority of my friends are white. I live in a very white neigbourhood. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like for blacks, asians and hispanics to be in fear everytime they leave the house. whether it is institutionalised, or casual it must be horrible. I can't condone the looting, but I can totally understand the anger

I worked in nyc at Central Park and was the only white bloke. Some of their stories were incredible about being chased and beaten for being black.

The thing that hurt them daily was people coming to me for directions when we were all together as I was the only white one there. It happened from my first day. Then watching people reactions when I directed them to the black person to answer the question. You would see the people get nervous then repeat the question slowly

You could see the pain and anger in my coworkers faces.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

I worked in nyc at Central Park and was the only white bloke. Some of their stories were incredible about being chased and beaten for being black.

The thing that hurt them daily was people coming to me for directions when we were all together as I was the only white one there. It happened from my first day. Then watching people reactions when I directed them to the black person to answer the question. You would see the people get nervous then repeat the question slowly

You could see the pain and anger in my coworkers faces.

That's human nature, people will naturally group together with people who are similar to themselves, that's why Melbourne in particular ends up with suburbs and regions flooded with particular ethnicities.

It goes both ways, they'd be doing it subconsciously.

[Charliewool]

It was actually closer to 9 mins...

The coroner’s report: five minutes and 53 seconds of kneeling before officers declared that Floyd was unresponsive, followed by two minutes and 53 seconds of continued pressure. That totals just less than nine minutes.

[Falcon SXR8]

I couldn't even imagine being a cop over there and dealing with the amount of weapons people have. Then add drugs into the mix and its no wonder things get out of hand. Some of the youtube vids Iv'e seen where they have been pulled over even the white people give the cops serious respect and tell the cop every move they are gunna make before they do it because they don't wan't the cop to think their reaching for something.

[cheap]

BLM has no leadership nor a solution instead they have been comprehensively exploited by ANTIFA.

The 21 of 23 worst rioting cities are Democrat managed cities.

Much of the rioting is in the poorest Black communities, which happen to also be Democrat electorates. Trump's economy has enabled poor Black people to find jobs and then these riots flare up - go figure...

All that's been achieved is to set back race relationships a couple of decades.

Trump's mistake was expecting the Governors to resolve the riots but they're shown to be a bunch of limp wristed soy-latte sipping nancy boys.

Trump is just not going to put up with this ****e any longer. Trump will use the US Military to put down the insurrection because that's what it is. Trump is invoking the insurrection act from 1807 to quell this mess.

Notice that the rioting hasn't spread to the suburbs, that's because the middle-class White&Black people are armed to the teeth.

[kaniSS]

I condone protesting and causing havoc to overthrow corrupt politicians, and to teach police a lesson in who is actually boss but I don't condone looting and stealing.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by kaniSS

I condone protesting and causing havoc to overthrow corrupt politicians

All but a few are in Democrat ran states/towns/cities.

Now the state where this guy was killed, it has a Democrat Governor, Democrat Senator, Democrat Mayor etc etc.

Now, what are the chances of this guy, and the 3 other officers who were at the scene (search their ethnicity) gets off from a technicality because the case is rushed, or gets a weak sentence? I hope not but.....

Boom, riots and looters 2.0

BUT IT'S TRUMPS FAULT.

[sixman]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

All but a few are in Democrat ran states/towns/cities.

Now the state where this guy was killed, it has a Democrat Governor, Democrat Senator, Democrat Mayor etc etc.

Now, what are the chances of this guy, and the 3 other officers who were at the scene (search their ethnicity) gets off from a technicality because the case is rushed, or gets a weak sentence? I hope not but.....

Boom, riots and looters 2.0

BUT IT'S TRUMPS FAULT.

Ill tell you what is Trump's fault. Look up the economic impact of Trump's policies/ crazy tweets on the Australia's economy. He has cost us billions. Cant work out why any patriotic Australian would think the Trump admin is a good cause worth defending.....