have to do a 22 hour shift at work.

[XPcoupe]

I have got two 22 hour shifts coming up at work. I need to do a test DR restore that is going to take 22 hours. What suggest have you got to keep me awake, other than replying to every thread on the forum.

Keep in mind I am going to be in a room that has a surveillance camera recording all the time.

[LTDHO]

Red Bull is now your friend!!

Can you play online games?

[Stealth00]

Drink coffee, drink coffee, drink some more coffee.

Did I mention drink coffee.

[Sourbastard]

22 hours? Simple. Pizza. Coffee. Collection of DVD's and a laptop.

[GenesiS]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

22 hours? Simple. Pizza. Coffee. Collection of DVD's and a laptop.

agreed!!! Pizza, red bull, coffee... maybe some games as well as dvd's other wise youll just get bored

[XPcoupe]

I am seeing a trend here.

I got to admit I am a bit of a codril, asprin and coke fan. But I do not want to drink to much other wise I will be running to the dunny all the time and I have to sign in and out every time i leave the server room.

I think pizza (full stomach) will make me sleepy, hungar keeps me awake.

[5LMonty]

Time to see your 'backyard chemist'..............

Sleeping pills the day beforehand, make sure you sleep well.

For my software D&D major for year 12 I didnt sleep for about 28 hours, as I stayed awake the day it was due.

No-doze caffeen tablets
Take light breaks every hour (should be doing this anyways)
Take 5 mins powernaps after the 20 hour mark
Take a quick jog in the cold if you have the chance
Red bull mixed with coke (has a nasty tang but goes down well)

[EA2BA]

write some really stupid formulas in Excel then sit there till you make em work, write a plan on the detail build of your current project or a future project, use the internet to find the wildest ideas you can think of, you really cant beat coffee, those kofka (i think) coffee lollies are nice

[parawolf]

No one should be asked to work 22 hours straight on their own.

Ask your manager if this is how it would be in a true DR scenario? Surely you can work shift with someone? 2 x 12 hour shifts (with overlap to assist with handover) is far more practical.

You should have a break every hour, and perhaps after 10 hours you get a 30 - 45 minute break where you should sleep.

If you are having to actually function during that 22 hour period, i'd hate to see you make the mistake of doing something disasterous at either the hand of sleep deprevation or drug induced stupor.

if you are considering taking drugs to function at work, you need to speak to your union rep now.

[XPcoupe]

Originally Posted by parawolf

No one should be asked to work 22 hours straight on their own.

Ask your manager if this is how it would be in a true DR scenario? Surely you can work shift with someone? 2 x 12 hour shifts (with overlap to assist with handover) is far more practical.

You should have a break every hour, and perhaps after 10 hours you get a 30 - 45 minute break where you should sleep.

If you are having to actually function during that 22 hour period, i'd hate to see you make the mistake of doing something disasterous at either the hand of sleep deprevation or drug induced stupor.

if you are considering taking drugs to function at work, you need to speak to your union rep now.

I agree with what you are saying. but it is my choice to work. over time for me is worth the work. should be able to get pay the rego for this work.

It took 14hrs 12 months ago and we have calculated that with the increase of data it will take 22 hours. back only takes 8 hours due to dual backup and auto changer at the live site. The DR only has a single drive and no auto changer. so I have to change tapes when they are required. One of the goals here is to prove we need to upgrade the DR tape unit and network.

[Sagerian]

Originally Posted by XPcoupe

One of the goals here is to prove we need to upgrade the DR tape unit and network.

It's worthwhile going through the exercise then if you can get a 20 slot autoloader out of it.

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by XPcoupe

I agree with what you are saying. but it is my choice to work. over time for me is worth the work. should be able to get pay the rego for this work.

It took 14hrs 12 months ago and we have calculated that with the increase of data it will take 22 hours. back only takes 8 hours due to dual backup and auto changer at the live site. The DR only has a single drive and no auto changer. so I have to change tapes when they are required. One of the goals here is to prove we need to upgrade the DR tape unit and network.

Fair enough - however do not go taking stimulants to keep yourself awake.

Have a risk register as part of the DR project, and have this listed as a high impact/medium possibility risk that you may make a mistake as a result of working such long hours.

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by parawolf

Have a risk register as part of the DR project, and have this listed as a high impact/medium possibility risk that you may make a mistake as a result of working such long hours.

Risk register! The refuge of scoundrels and part of the curse that is OH&S! A beaurocratic duck shoving exercise for off-loading blame & neglect to the most desperate or naive company or individual.

Why is it necessary to needlessly document the bleeding obvious?

Red surveys site.

Risk. "3 headed beast may emerge from LCD panel" - Likelyhood Low - Action: scream like a girl.

Risk. "Possiblility of kicking toe on server frame." - Likelyhood Moderate - Action: Fit end of shoes with warning lamp and proximity sounders.

Risk. "4 Volume OH&S Site Safety Manual falls on head from rickity shelf" - Likelyhood Severe - Action: Resist this utter garbage in favour of common sense and take responsibility for own actions.

Safety? Its got nothing to do with safety !

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Risk register! The refuge of scoundrels and part of the curse that is OH&S! A beaurocratic duck shoving exercise for off-loading blame & neglect to the most desperate or naive company or individual.

Why is it necessary to needlessly document the bleeding obvious?

Why? Because you sometimes have project managers (project manglers) that have no ING idea about technology, issues with scenarios and and what kind of work you have to do.

If something goes wrong - they say "you didn't warn me that was a possibility". And it eventually gets into finger pointing which never works and is never friendly. It is because these sort of people are idiots, hired by idiots, but are 'required' by corporate policy and only have a job because they are best mates with someone.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Risk register! The refuge of scoundrels and part of the curse that is OH&S! A beaurocratic duck shoving exercise for off-loading blame & neglect to the most desperate or naive company or individual.

Why is it necessary to needlessly document the bleeding obvious?

Red surveys site.

Risk. "3 headed beast may emerge from LCD panel" - Likelyhood Low - Action: scream like a girl.

Risk. "Possiblility of kicking toe on server frame." - Likelyhood Moderate - Action: Fit end of shoes with warning lamp and proximity sounders.

Risk. "4 Volume OH&S Site Safety Manual falls on head from rickity shelf" - Likelyhood Severe - Action: Resist this utter garbage in favour of common sense and take responsibility for own actions.

Safety? Its got nothing to do with safety !

Indeed. The amount of bollocks inductions I have to do online to be 'certified' to visit certain sites is a joke (around 25 and counting now). Nothing to do with safety and everything to do with waiving the right to claim damages if you're injured on their site.

[Sagerian]

You're DR solution needs work if it takes 22 hours. The people making you work 22 hours should spend more time designing a better restore process.

Plus no one person would be made to stay 22 hours to recover data, that's when mistakes happen, etc.

But stretching, coffee, etc will help.

[XPcoupe]

Originally Posted by Sagerian

You're DR solution needs work if it takes 22 hours. The people making you work 22 hours should spend more time designing a better restore process.

Plus no one person would be made to stay 22 hours to recover data, that's when mistakes happen, etc.

But stretching, coffee, etc will help.

Yes but convincing a company to spend 10's of thousand on a DR setup that they may not never use is very hard. they are required to have one and test it every 12 months for there share holdeers. but thats about it. As we all know it is the old equipment that is shiped to the DR site when the live site equipment is replaced.

One goal we are looking at is to break the DR into two stages critcal data to restore and non critical data to restore so it can be broken into two seprate days of recoverey.

[Tote]

Originally Posted by XPcoupe

Yes but convincing a company to spend 10's of thousand on a DR setup that they may not never use is very hard. they are required to have one and test it every 12 months for there share holdeers. but thats about it. As we all know it is the old equipment that is shiped to the DR site when the live site equipment is replaced.

One goal we are looking at is to break the DR into two stages critcal data to restore and non critical data to restore so it can be broken into two seprate days of recoverey.

How much would it cost them if it didnt work? Minor inconvenience or the whole site down? We had someone lose 2.5 Tb of data the other week, they were VERY glad of the investment they had made in their DR site.
Be aware that working that length shift could be an unacceptable OH&S risk if your HR people get wind of it , particularly if it is planned.
Regards,
Tote

[svo347]

Regular breaks mate, go for a quick stroll etc..

[Sagerian]

If you guys can afford it, see if you can go the KVS route. Basically it'll take snapshots of your recently modified data at intervals through the day, while other data will be moved off the server onto tape. At worst you'll only lose about 3 hours data and restoration is very quick.

But certainly getting a multi-tape loader has to be done before anything else.

How many tapes will you need to load through this process?

[XPcoupe]

Originally Posted by Sagerian

If you guys can afford it, see if you can go the KVS route. Basically it'll take snapshots of your recently modified data at intervals through the day, while other data will be moved off the server onto tape. At worst you'll only lose about 3 hours data and restoration is very quick.

But certainly getting a multi-tape loader has to be done before anything else.

How many tapes will you need to load through this process?

I support many clients all with different solutions. I am using Double Take for one clients Exchange enviro and it has a recovery time of 30 minutes for 1.5Tb of exchange data. Tested and works. Just completed the KVS courses with symantec and but using that more for archive and compliance for the US law.

There is 10 tapes to inventory, catalogue and restore

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Sagerian

If you guys can afford it, see if you can go the KVS route. Basically it'll take snapshots of your recently modified data at intervals through the day, while other data will be moved off the server onto tape. At worst you'll only lose about 3 hours data and restoration is very quick.

But certainly getting a multi-tape loader has to be done before anything else.

How many tapes will you need to load through this process?

There are many different ways to do it, snapshots/snapclones, backup to virtual libraries, synchronous redundant link to secondary storage, it all depends on how much you want to invest...

Don't quite know what KVS is but it sounds similar to VLS which the company I work for markets. Runs as a virtual library which will presents itself on a SAN allowing multiple servers to backup to it which it then streams to tape.

While I've done my share of 22 hours days, and half of that time driving to and from sites which is much worse than sitting onsite bored out of your brain, OH&S would certainly be an issue (as I believe someone else had raised) if it was planned work. I certainly hope you're being paid for it, time in lieu is a mugs game.

[Sagerian]

Originally Posted by Rodp

There are many different ways to do it, snapshots/snapclones, backup to virtual libraries, synchronous redundant link to secondary storage, it all depends on how much you want to invest...

For sure. In this case, they are using a single slot tape drive which is why I made some assumptions about how much $ they are willing to spend. As I said, Multi-tape loader has to be added to the Christmas list. That way at least you can load all the tapes, kick it off and go home.

[Charliewool]

Speed or 1/2 a dozen shakers? (visit the local truck stop)

[eb2flyz]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Speed or 1/2 a dozen shakers? (visit the local truck stop)

i take offence to that truck stop comment hey :jab: :jab:

however i have found that energy drinks are allright, good food, music and if al else fails ring up a few friends and have a yarn with them.

[big_waity]

I'd suggest Sprite Recharge and some no-doze. Also, fresh fruit. However KaytonK is the man to ask, regularly goes 3 days without sleep. (FREAK) lol

[mcflux]

Laxatives.

[FordFan86]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Laxatives.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[xa bird]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Laxatives.

A mate of mine who drove trucks used to drink 5litres water so he was bustin reckons it kept him awake.